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150,000 Koreans in U.S. subject to Trump's deportation order: Report
(koreajoongangdaily.joins.com)
Time to go back to camping on the rooftops I guess.
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Just imagine the financial cost of deporting 150k people. It's insanity.
ICE told the government two or three weeks ago that they'd need like $26 billion to enforce the Laken Riley act, I think.
I do wonder if there will be any bottom up resistance to the Trump regime. Things like regional refusals to implement at least some of the orders, occupation of federal buildings, detainment of regime thugs, blockade of key infrastructure nodes (airports, major highway nodes, ports etc.), detainment of senior oligarchs and collaborators.
I recognize that in the US context even talking about such things is both controversial and would be seen as a sort of a fever dream, but in the global context this is not unprecedented.
From living in the US, I don't think there will be any bottom up resistance (at least initially). US is simply too well off (on a relative basis) for most people to care, there is a strong belief in US institutions (for better or worse) and many people are brainwashed by oligarch propaganda.
That being said, these sort of things are by definition unpredictable.
There will be, but you have to understand that a lot of it will be things that you won't learn happened until years later.
Sometimes that will be because the captive media refuses to report on it. A lot of the time it will be because in order for it to happen, no one can talk about it.
Here's an example I learned about recently. Back under Bush, the Patriot act made it legal for the government to grab your reading history from any library, without a subpoena. Libraries were required to appoint a Patriot Act compliance officer to handle these requests.
Must libraries did two things in response to this. The first was to stop tracking reading histories. The other was to appoint their compliance officers as demanded... And to make sure that those appointments went to the employee who most recently left.
"Oh, I'm sorry officer, we don't have any way to access that information. No, Jeremy had all the passwords and he quit recently. I've emailed him but he still hasn't gotten back to me. I'll let you know as soon as we can get that information, absolutely."
The thing is, for this to work, no one could talk about it. Library employees discussed it with each other, they shared the idea between libraries, using back channels, but no one made a big song and dance about it because if they did then the jig would be up.
AOC recently commented that a lot of organized resistance is happening that people can't talk about online. That's exactly the sort of thing she was talking about. A lot of similar stuff happened when Trump came into power the last time around. Some of it was reported on, a lot of it wasn't.
It will be happening this time too. Just because you don't see it, don't assume it isn't there.
That's a very good point.
Hence, the plans in Project 2025 to remove people who resist their plans in most bureaucracies and replace them with loyal followers. While they may not be as effective at running the bureaucracy, they will be very effective informants. And the bureaucracy being effective isn't high on their priorities. And on top of all that, their base will approve of the bureaucracies running poorly because they've been taught that they represent government waste. At least until they learn about all the things they do that they never thought about until they stop being done right, on time, or at all.
Not if people wait until the last line of the poem.
And then they came for me...
My trans ass doesn't have the luxury of waiting until the last line I'm right near the top. I've got plans in motion to leave the country but in the last bit of time I've got left here I'm doing what I can to help everyone who can't leave so easily. Things are scary here
That's the million dollar question.
At any rate I wish you guys luck. A fascist US is not a good thing for global liberal democracy.
The Milgram Experiment shows that most people will obey an authority figure that instructs them to do actions contrary to their conscience.
the results of the milgram experiment have been under a lot of valid scientific criticism for at least ten years now
Oh, that's not surprising, being done in the 1960's. I can't say I'm aware of that criticism though, do you know the main issue with the experiment?
I think that's a bit too reductionist and negative. Historically there have been rebellions under far worse odds (some successful, some not).
At any rate, it's probably way too early to make any predictions or conclusions.
South Korea: “Time to arrest another sitting President…”
He's scared of how South Koreans handle corrupt presidents trying to become dictators
So does this mean that there are 20,000 Koreans listed that are registered for citizenship but are just stuck in processing, and the remaining 120,000 are here illegally? If so I can see why they are deporting the 120,000 but, I don't understand why they are deporting the 20,000 as if they are here legally they should have visas showing their status of being here.
There's a really fucked up issue in Korean adoption that was fixed a while back. Basically, once a parent finished the process and had custody of the child in the US, the parent needed to do an additional bit of paperwork to give the child US citizenship.
They closed the loophole a long time ago, but many(20 fucking thousand potentially) adult adoptees don't even know their parents didn't bother to finish the process.
Now the Korean international adoption processes is mostly closed, cause it was an exploitive nightmare that was more like selling babies than anything.
And yeah the other are just people overstaying a visa, or stayed past the point of needing a visa. 90 days.
The options are not "seeking citizenship" and "here illegally". Most of those people are here on student visas or work visas of one kind of another.
That's understandable I forgot about work/student non-immigrant visa's, these still fall under a legal visa, I don't understand why people with legal visas are being the target. They are in the country legally, there shouldn't be any grounds for deportation for those. Being said after looking into it, it doesn't seem like they need a reason to deport valid visa holders, which is screwed up honestly.
They have already announced plans to deport the Haitians in Springfield that are here legally too. I don't know why anyone is shocked by this.
It seems unlikely to me that there are 120k or 130k South Koreans in the United States without legal immigration status. They probably have visas that can be revoked more easily.
I did a little research on this, and this is insane. The current legal code (8 USC 1201(i)) states
After the issuance of a visa or other documentation to any alien, the consular officer or the Secretary of State may at any time, in his discretion, revoke such visa or other documentation.
and to top it off, it also contains at the end
There shall be no means of judicial review (including review pursuant to section 2241 of title 28 or any other habeas corpus provision, and sections 1361 and 1651 of such title) of a revocation under this subsection, except in the context of a removal proceeding if such revocation provides the sole ground for removal under section 1227(a)(1)(B) of this title.
This sounds like it means that if there is any type of other thing happening (such as an accusation that you broke the law or are here illegally), they can just say "ok visa revoked get out" with very limited possibility to a legal review
I can understand that being the case for actual criminals but, that seems super extreme.
Being said though, 9 FAM 403.11 is the declassified guidelines that it seems officials are supposed to use, and those state:
- (1) Unavailable
- (2) (U) The individual is not eligible for the visa classification (this includes ineligibility under INA 214(b));
- (3) (U) The visa has been physically removed from the passport in which it was issued; or
- (4) (U) The individual is subject to an IDENT Watchlist record in System Messages for an arrest or conviction of driving under the influence, driving while intoxicated, or similar arrests/convictions (DUI) that occurred within the previous five years, pursuant to 9 FAM 403.11-5(B) paragraph c, below.
Overall, that's fucked.
I'm assuming it's because they aren't white, which is a sad thing to say/think.
Racism, in the United States? Stay it ain't so!