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[–] MutilationWave 1 points 4 hours ago

Ok so women cross their arms over their breasts about half the time I'm walking up to speak to them if we don't really know each other. I make a conscious effort not to stare at women's breasts because I was bad about it as a teen. It catches me off guard because I feel like they thought I was staring.

I'm a not totally ugly, six foot, in-shape man. I'm told that I'm charismatic. I have to walk up and initiate conversations with women I don't know generally several times a day, in a professional setting, for my job.

What is the deal with this? I hate it.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

So, funny thing: a person's body language may or may not tell you something about what they're feeling, but it absolutely has an impact on how you perceive them. When you get advice to make eye contact, or not cross you arms, or ball your hands into fists and cock your arm (no, dude, I wasn't being aggressive; body language theory is such bullshit), it's saying less about what your internal mental state and more about how you're non-verbally communicating to others.

The bullshit part about body language isn't that it's not valid, because it is. The bullshit part is that there's some key that let's you interpret it unambiguously.

Some people avert their eyes when they lie. Some when they're disinterested. Some because they have social anxiety. I do it because I simply can't think clearly when I'm staring into someone's eyes, because I'm too busy drinking their souls. But when someone is talking and you avoid eye contact, whatever your reasons, they will tend to feel as if you aren't interested.

Anecdote time! The aunt of a friend was a local politician when Bill Clinton was running for re-election, and he stopped in town, gave a speech and mingled, so she got to meet him. She said his most amazing characteristic was that, when you were taking to him, you felt as if you were the only person in the room. He had no distractions, his eyes didn't wander to more important people, he wasn't thinking about other, more important things: when he talked to you, he had all of his attention focused on you, and was only listening to and talking to you.

That's what I think of when I think of effective body language. Regardless of what really was going on in Clinton's head, when he talked to someone, he was able to make them feel as if that's all he was doing: listening to and talking to them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Funnily enough, I feel like in most social situations people would think I was insane or overfocused on them if I kept steady eye contact - which I easily could. But I consciously decide to let my eyes wander every now and then to let them feel less pressure. Because honestly I doubt that the cashier or my daughter's kindergarten teacher wants me to think that I talk to them like they are the only people in the room and I am 100% focused on them. I especially prefer looking "to the side" when I listen because I am way too scared for people to think I am a maniac who wants to make them my whole world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

And as you see you didnt say you are a body language expert and you seem like one so i guess the comic was right.

[–] Glitterbomb 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lol your aunt just wanted to fuck Bill Clinton and you turned it into a life lesson on body language.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

Oh, come on... everyone wanted to fuck Bill Clinton. Don't be shy.

[–] GrammarPolice 4 points 11 hours ago

No idea why you were downvoted. Solid analysis!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hey bro whatever you're talking about can't be that much more important than this angry birds level, keep talking I can multi-task

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There's only one thing more important than Angry Birds, and that's the factory must grow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Havent touched factorio yet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I can't decide whether to encourage you and ruin another life, or warn you away so that you can retain the opportunity of time for healthy relationships, sunlight, and bathing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Haha the fact you think I do any of those now is hilarious (eyes my 6k hours in cs and 4k in rocket league)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck what others think. Your perception of my body is your problem. Not mine. I'm not trying to coerce people to do what I want like a politician.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Atlas shrugged, huh?

[–] Shou 3 points 11 hours ago

People who are lying often make prolonged eye contact as part of checking if you believe them.

[–] gofsckyourself 31 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

If their arm does this:

It means:
They are a Nazi

[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

If their eyes do that, they might be autistic.

Source: am autistic.

[–] andros_rex 3 points 6 hours ago

I went to an alternative school for a bit, and one of the “behaviors” I would get punished for was not making eye contact. I still don’t feel comfortable with it.

[–] blazeknave 4 points 8 hours ago

ND salesman checking in. Yep, I hate this lie.

[–] CanaryWhiskey 99 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Or socially awkward or anxious

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My eyes always do this and I was diagnosed with ADD as a child after an IQ test. Teachers before always accused me of being dishonest and I got into all sorts of trouble because of it.

[–] MutilationWave 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I grew up around a lot of pathological liars, and still have two in my life. I detect it so quickly. It's not like the kind of lying I do, pathological lying is compulsive and sometimes pointless. It has nothing to do with body language, it's all verbal clues.

I have a really good friend now that I would have written off as a pathological liar. But I had to be around him because we kept getting assigned together. What happened was once he detected that I don't care about machismo or if he could beat me in a fight, he stopped lying because he was no longer trying to impress me.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

a lot of people still read me as dishonest

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Try reading to the final panel.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They can't. There were eyes in that panel, and therefore their eyes looked away.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I've never heard averting eye contact means that. I do it all the time because I'm scared of making eye contact not because I'm disinterested or dishonest

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago

I think that's the joke

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

In some cultures, direct eye contact is actually aggressive and disrespectful. Kind of jarring when it happens when you come from a culture where eye contact means you're paying attention...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

The thing about body language is that it's always context specific. Yours is a common reason in a lot of people who avoid eye contact, especially with strangers. However, if someone who usually doesn't avoid eye contact suddenly does it, then it's often because they're disinterested or dishonest. Or just nervous or stressed. I don't know. Maybe I'm full of shit too, but I don't call myself an expert.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Youtube Title: "Top CIA agent reveals TOP TEN telltale signs a SUSPECT is LYING"

Thumbnail: a person doing normal things like... scratching head... or touching face

🙄

Also fuck those "crime stories" youtube channels where the narrator keep mentioning the suspect's "body language" like if its indicative of anything.

Like bruh, they already read the results of the case, of course they know that the suspect is guilty/innocent, that "body language" is just hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Watching American true crime is painful when we are used to the UK system. Hang on you used a fucking polygraph? Are you actually serious? May as well just go "yeah that guy is giving me bad vibes, so I told him what to say to confess". Meanwhile in the UK they look for actual evidence and can't just tell you what to say to make a confession to something you didn't do.

Stuff like "You said you were at home and have never met them, this evidence shows your DNA on the victim. How can you explain that? "

[–] sleepmode 4 points 12 hours ago

It is pretty terrible when I watch an American docu and am surprised when a detective/cop or team seems to genuinely care and have a desire to help. So many are horrible people. Audit the Audit is a good one for putting those types on blast.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What they won't say is that it has nothing to do with any specific body language. You know how some people talk with their hands?

Well everyone has little things like that. In poker they call it a "tell" but that's still inaccurate compared to what interrogaters are really doing.

They can't actually tell if anyone bullshits or not. They have facts about the case, or in the CIA example they have intelligence. They use lie detectors and what not to create anxiety in the ~~victim~~ suspect/asset. When someone is in sufficient fear, they will let information slip because the brain literally loses control over itself. Too much fear, like in torture, and the brain will force the person to choose whatever answer it feels like will result in self preservation.

[–] mPony 2 points 51 minutes ago

People brag about the times they were right, or the times they believe they were right. They won't mention the times when they were wrong, or will just convince themselves they were right about something. If they brag to the right people, they can make a living out of it.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago

What’s disappointing is that body language can definitely help to determine how people are feeling or what they are thinking, but the people who are into it the most just seem to forget it’s not a foolproof method to completely determine the truth.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago

Had me ready to rant until the last frame... well played.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just don't know what to do with my hands most of the time and sometimes shoulder pain...

[–] Dozzi92 2 points 11 hours ago

Shoulder pain. I tuck my hands under my arms in such a way to kinda prop my shoulders into a position of comfort. Pretty much everything I do is just looking for the position of comfort all the time. I get some anxiety like most people from time to time, but my mannerisms are for every situation. Comfort is key.

[–] Tudsamfa 6 points 21 hours ago

Wow, people have a lot of strong opinions on body language, as if when anyone dares to read into it/does not get a hint they must defend themselves for acting a certain way.

I was just looking at the comments to see if anyone else spend too much time online and now sees a political compass in the 4 colour coded boxes.

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