I still don't know what Fauci did to have so much anger for him for this long lol.
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The current right wing wave we are experiencing in the world is decidedly and aggressively anti-intellectual and anti-establishment. Fauci represents both of these.
Pardon won't protect them from legal harassment
What a world we live in where we have to preemptively issue presidential pardons to people who have not only not committed any crimes but have served the public's interest for their entire lives
It's un-be-lievable, quite honestly.
Welcome to donvict's Merica.
I hope on his way out, Biden takes an old man taco shit in the private Oval Office washroom and doesn’t flush.
I'm sure idiots taking revenge on Fauci for, uh, following the science is going to really lower the costs of housing and groceries!
Not sure what good that will do. Trump patently doesn’t give an F about law, only about how he thinks he’s being perceived. So if he can find a way to prosecute anyone, even of it’s just in the court of public opinion, in such a way that he thinks it makes him stronger and wrecks their lives he will do it.
The fact that this is necessary is just mind blowing.
The fact that they recognize this is necessary, yet still just willingly handed over power...
That's how democracy works. You accept the results even if you don't like them. Otherwise, they'd be no better than the Jan 6 trash from this time 4 years ago.
I agree. Unless those results are fascism.
We have learned why it's important to have an exception for fascism.
Looks like South Korea understands that better than we do.
Paradox of Democracy:
If people democratically elected fascism. Is it anti-democratic to overthrow/coup against the democratically elected fascist?
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South Korea acted swiftly. The US has been sitting on its ass for four whole years. They should have acted before the fascist was re-elected.
The fascist wasn’t re-elected though, was he
He was not re- elected for consecutive terms.
It was clearly rigged, so he was not re-elected by any definition.
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Funny how the other side just reverts to threats and intimidation when they don't get what they want.
Most of the military voted trump, what was he supposed to do, attempt a coup that would have zero people would follow his orders?
Well according to the supreme court he could just order Seal Team Six to kill Trump as long as he called it an "official act".
But Dark Brandon never came...
Supreme court said if Biden tried to give such orders, he cannot be prosecuted for it.
But Supreme court never gave the president the authority to do it.
Basically it favors republicans because the military and law enforcement leans right wing.
Biden: "Kill donald trump for his treason against the United States"
Military: "Sorry Mr.President, we're unable to do that"
Biden cannot be prosecuted for the attempt, but the attempt won't suceed either
trump: "Kill these dEMs, they very bigly bad for 'murica"
Military, after trump's purges: "Yes sir"
I think he should have started jailing congressmen until they agreed to make a law overturning the immunity decision.
But that can "make things worse" in the same way these pardons did. And they were extremely aware of that.
There's no winning in this scenario. The people voted against the rule of law. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize, but what are they supposed to do about it? Perform a coup against the will of the people? It's doing the same damn thing we were just trying to stop.
No they didn't, only the low level rubes
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Here's the thing. All things considered, I believe it was the right thing to do and probably the best option available given the circumstances, but a part of me still thinks that this just might end up making things worse.
I'm not even convinced that these things will hold. We have already learned that just because it says so in the Constitution doesn't mean this Supreme Court will abide by it, as they've already hand-waived away several Constitutional protections already and have essentially turned the Constitution into a very old piece of paper with guidelines that can be ignored when inconvenient.
Given this President and this Supreme Court, I could easily see the Supreme Court either spinning all new powers of "judicial review" when it comes to pardons all for itself out of thin air, or just saying that pre-emptive pardons aren't a thing and are therefore invalid. And when the precedent of Nixon's pardon is brought up, they could just say that it would have been struck down too had it been challenged. Or at least, they would have struck it down. Easy to say because Nixon's dead and it's moot one way or the other, so it's easy to twist it to their advantage.
And since accepting a pardon comes with the implication of guilt, the right wing conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day showing how this "proves" that Fauci, Milley, etc. are all guilty and should be prosecuted anyway. ("Even though the Biden pardons were all ruled invalid, the fact that these defendants had accepted them comes with the implication of guilt. That implication is not Constitutionally protected and therefore can be used against them in future prosecutions." -- This Supreme Court, probably, in the near future.) This will also lead to a groundswell of support from the rubes who will continue the march to dictatorship with thunderous applause as they start demanding that these people be prosecuted anyway, using their acceptance of the pardons in the first place as "proof" that they were right all along, these people were committing crimes, and they knew it.
Of course, if and when Trump writes his own pardon, the courts will gladly carve out an exception that applies only to Trump. His cronies may go to jail, but we all know what Trump thinks of his cronies once they stop being of use to him.
Wtf, a pardon allows you to commit crimes for the rest of your life?!?
Nope
So then how would this help someone who hasn't been charged with any crimes?
Watch him try and do it anyway, challenging the pardons in court saying pe-emptive pardons shouldn't count, only to backtrack when he realizes it means it will make the blanket pardon he wrote for himself invalid too.
Watch him try and do it anyway, challenging the pardons in court saying pe-emptive pardons shouldn’t count, only to backtrack when he realizes it means it will make the blanket pardon he wrote for himself invalid too.
That's not how this works if you've been paying attention to our legal system.
Don't get me wrong.....Trump absolutely will try to have these pardons challenged. But it's not like the courts are just going to remind him that it won't work for him either when he tries it. They'll just wait until he does, then carve out a special exemption that applies only to Trump. That's how the law works.
Shhhh don't remind him about the last part. Have him challenge blanket pardons and then let us enjoy it being used against him.
He's likely trying to throw down as many speed bumps as possible. Individually, they won't do much. Each will act as a distraction, a slight delay. Against most people in his position, they would be useless. Trump isn't most people however. He will bite and get distracted by the chew toy. It's likely about all Biden can do to limit the damage a little.
Jfc
I'm not looking forward to the next week, let alone 4 years.
Did you forget Jack Smith? Hello?
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Unfortunately, this move will give anti-vax conspiracy theorists massive amounts of fuel.
They have unlimited fuel because they are free to just make shit up.
Pretty scary that he thought this was necessary.
Could have just pardoned all of us an ran someone who actually could have beaten The big orange felon.
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