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Dear fellow lemmyfriends: underestimate European nationalism, low key racism and stupidity at your own peril. Europeans will not worship at the altar of Musk but they will worship at the altar of whichever local fascist stooge Musk funds.
He's quite popular on lemmy though, there's not a single day he isn't on the frontpage
Literally no one in Europe thinks "europe is bad" — I've never heard anyone in europe say this. Ever.
What could that even mean? European continent is bad? Europeans think in regions and countries not whole-ass continents which are very much arbitrary. Maybe he meant European Union? 0 IQ take.
Wtf? The entire right wing in Europe likes him, for example... -78%... they should ask more people and not all from one political group...
He's also rigging elections here in Europe and right now he's backing the AfD.
Musk is a great danger for Europe, especially because of his popularity, otherwise he wouldn't have any influence with the voters... Talking up this danger that Musk doesn't exist is exactly the worst thing you can do.
Did you confuse musk with russia?
Nah. You should know Europe's right wingers mouth shows into one direction and their ass in the other direction. They want get gangbanged and destroyed in sandwich mode.
Nowadays very few people in this side of the pond think Europe is worst than the US, and I'm actually living in a country which is pretty much at the tail of the EU wealthwise and hearing that viewpoint from people who old enough and from humble enough origins to have lived in actual misery when this country was a Fascist shithole. As far as I can tell most people around think that at the moment EU is the safest and most prosperous place to live in the World.
People did use to look up to the US maybe 2 decades ago and before, but then the long-term results of Neoliberal Capitalism started to reveal themselves and shitstains like this guy and Trump got into the scene (gleefully followed by the rest of the Republican party and even the Democrat party leadership) and the perception of the US went from "Prosperous Land Of Opportunity" to "Dangerous and Decaying Country".
The American Dream has been murdered and people like Musk are just plunging the knife a couple more times into its already cooling down corpse.
There is quite a massive problem of europans increasingly choosing similary shitty politicians ( so far hungary and slovakia are the worst cases ).
Orbán is falling tho. It's going to be a fight, but he is consistently way behind in the polls and for the first time in 20 years, mainstream Hungarian public opinion is squarely against him.
2026 might be it. Hope I didn't jinx it.
Why is he even so popular. If any serious politician even looked in the russian direction in Poland he would crucified. I always thought it was common among post soviet states. And yer here we are in 2025 with fico in slovakia and orban in hungary.
We were the "happiest barracks" of the Warsaw Pact, and since there was no real revolutionary push in the 90s, the people in power never really left. The current minister of interior was chief of police for example.
Also, he's not that popular, never was. What happened is that the remains of the old regime, the Hungarian Socialist Party was so corrupt and inefficient that there was a major upheaval against them in 2006. Orbán rode that wave to a supermajority in 2010, and immediately changed the election system from something okay to the most fucked up version of FPTP imaginable, literally worse than the US system.
Then the disgraced socialist leader never left, and still had enough followers to keep a 5-15% party alive, which basically destroyed the hope of any opposition party emerging and succeeding on the left, since he would be a spoiler to any opposition party that wasn't him, and he was and still is so unpopular that people still choose Orbán over him.
So Orbán could very easily keep a 2/3 supermajority with a ~30% approval rating up till last year. The new opposition is trying to form a new right-wing party that is not aligned with the old leftist opposition. It seems to be working.
True.
It's still a smaller problem than the US and even the Far Right around these parts won't go down certain routes so popular in America (like the whole religious crap). Even the very overt association with the ultra rich you see in the US isn't popular in Europe with the Far-Right - they'll hapilly take their money, but only as long as it's done quietly.
Absolutelly, there has been copying of American politics by first the European mainstream parties (which is how Neoliberalism came over) and of late the Far-Right who also got a lot of money from the likes of the Koch Brothers (Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe some years ago with money from them to "Boost Far-Right parties"), but it's done with very different twists and and that's why I doubt a guy with the Societal-awareness of a pretty dumb doorknob, like Musk, can actually twist for his own benefit what are essentially local movements fit to local thinking and exist for local crooks to get rich.
I'll give you a pretty interesting example of how these things are so adapted to local thinking: the Far-Right in The Netherlands, which predated the whole Steve Bannon thing by quite a lot - as far as I can tell it mainly got propelled to significance by the Theo van Gogh murder at the hands of an Islamist - was started by a guy - Pim Fortuyn - who from the start never hid that he was an homosexual. Even in most places in Europe this would be a big No-No for a Far-Right leader, worse so in the US, but in The Netherlands the mindset about sexual orientation is pretty much that it's all normal and as relevant as one's eye color, so for a Far-Right leader to have a sexual orientation other than the majority one was absolutelly fine because such things are irrelevant there.
This is the kind of differences of mindset that a guy like Musk faces if trying to influence politics in Europe. Sure, the Far-Right over here will take his money (they're crooked crooks, so they're fine with getting lots of money under the table) but any such party that actually followed his actual advices would end up overtaken by other Far-Right parties whose speech and politics were more adapted to the local thinking. Also being seen as associating with Musk would negativelly impact his vote, both because he is filthy rich and these parties capture a lot for vote from disenfranchised working class people and because he's a foreigner so the Nationalists instinctivelly distrust him.
Oh thats true. Each country in europe has their own spin off far right. Also far right parties in europe already have their sponsors and they usualy have suspiciously russian accents. And its certainly better to keep quiet about that for them ( before russia invasion some could even get away with that in the western countries somehow , beacuse for some inexplicable reason pepole had suprisingly high opinion of russia, a f* dictatorship in europe. And its even worse with hungary, of all the countries that could romance with russia why tf hungary . That i just dont understand. In poland if anyone even looked favorably towards russia he would almoast be treated as a traitor , and hungary had similar experience with the soviets so why ).
Actually you know. I think i welcome the competition for the far right . Perhaps musk or other crazy bilionares can outbid some rusian oligarchs. At worst nothing changes. At best far right will become tad more pro american. And americans are still our allies at the end of the day for better or worse.
Actually you post really made me think in a direction I didn't expect.
You see, in countries with systems other than Proportional Vote - so, countries with electoral circles - the Left generaly has had less political power than their share of the vote because it gets divided (as the joke goes, "The biggest enemy of the Left is the Left") and in systems with electoral circles that means fewer elected representatives per vote.
The exact same problem will apply to the Far-Right if they get divided. In fact, you can see it already in the last election in the UK, where the Far-Right Tories (who used to be just Conservative Right and moved to full-blown populist Far-Right during the Leave Referendum) have lost the elections because an even more Far-Right party called Reform UK appeared and divided their vote, which their First Past The Post electoral system (so, electoral circles with a single representative per electoral circle) transformed into a big loss for the Tories in terms of elected members of Parliament as it made them not come first anymore - and thus not get the member of parliament for that circle - in many such electoral circles in which they usually came first.
All this to say that a divided Far Right would probably be the best possible thing for Europe, at least in most countries (as only a few have electoral system using proportional vote), though paradoxically that would not impact the total representation of the Far Right in the EU Parliament because that one uses Proportional Vote.
Fuck you elon don't you have videogames to lie about your skill level in?
Why does the person calling him unpopular have a blue checkmark?
Not for long I guess :D
Elon, please change yourself. Into plant food.
I'm all about making europe great again, but it's not the way this dumbass wants to do it lmao.
One of the disappointments of rednote was learning how many Chinese people bought his "genius engineer progressing humanity" PR horseshit. But they seemed much more understanding when they learned how he treats his kids.
As much as we are joking about him, please do NOT underestimate the power that this shit stain has. People underestimated trump twice and twice we ended up with trump presidencies
There are a lot of vaporware brain idiots out there that lap up every word he says
Yeah unfortunately, just look at the polls for e.g. Germany, I'm pretty sure Muskrat had its influence there: https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/
from another post comment somewhere
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now that's a MEGA I agree with
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Im pretty sure he doesn't care, didnt he tell some important EU figure literally to go fuck themselves? He isn't concerned with the opinions of the EU because they're globalist homos to him, thats why he's throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups. to help dismantle the EU for Daddy Vlad
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We haven't forgotten that time he used Starlink to benefit Russia over Ukraine, around the time he was cosying up to Putin.
I also think that many Europeans are pessimistic about the future. The reason for this is Musk, Trump and their cronies. It is the lingering concern that things could get as bad in Europe as they are in the US.
Yeah but all that and other consumer protections make it harder for him and the other robber barons to get even more filthy rich off of us.
You're a rich nation ready to be plundered. They will be coming. Media control first. Then buying elections.
Yup that guy is naive. Politicians in Europe are every bit as venal, stupid, and greedy as American ones.
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Make Europe Great Again! Like how it was in 1940!!!
That is what he wants, right? He's all smoochy smoochie with far right European politicians, he's already "Hitler wasnt as bad as we think" wink wink...
Maybe he forgot how that great period ended, and what we did with the top level players, back then... Maybe he should be reminded about that?
I mean, obviously he forgot about all the pain and suffering and the millions of deaths, and he definitely doesn't care about that, but narsismusk loves himself over everything else, so a reminder of hour Nazi leaders ended might not be a bad idea
I think he does know how unpopular he is in europe and he's just doing putin's will by intentionally stoking division between the US and its major allies.
No. He's trying to get right wing extremists into power, because they won't stand in his way if he treats workers and nature as his property.
He got reigned in by unions, environmental activists, agencies and society in general when he tried to ignore every law and regulation he could find at his Berlin gigafactory. That pissed him off big time and it's not the only time it happened.
He's a petty little man with too much money.
It is quite a commonly repeating story of American companies moving to Europe and bringing American work practices, only for it all to fail miserably and them having to adopt European work practices or close shop.
People in Europe are just not indoctrinated into the same view of what is "normal and how things are" as Americans so the levels of worker exploitation in America are seen as abusive and fought hard in Europe were Unions are still pretty strong.
As far as I've seen the only places were American work practices manage slip through pretty much unchallenged is totally unspecialized work in whole new work domains in countries which have copied mechanism for insecure piece-work from the US, so for example things like meal delivery and Uber drivers, and even there we see many countries in Europe starting to crack-down on it, for example by forcing Uber to actually employ its drivers.
Things have slid back in in Europe when it comes to worker rights and what people expect from the State in terms of taking care of the needs of Citizens, but nowhere as much as the US.
It's insane to me that one of the richest people in the world, and still making more every second, cares so much about new ways to hurt people so he can continue to make even more.
Because of this, I feel that it has more to do with gaining power over making money. He appears to be at the stage where he just wants to control everything and absolutely believes he is entitled to do so. At this point, it probably doesn't even cost that much to do whatever he wants, so why not take it as far as everyone will let him.
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Frankly, the more Europe moves away from the US, the less influence the US has in Europe, hence the more likely it is for Europe to retain at least some of its relative prosperity for the many as the American Empire reaches its end of life and is replaced by another one.
Most of the problems Europe has come from copying shit from the American Oligarchy and adopting US Legislation via things like international trade treaties and trade organisations (from ultra-long Copyright periods that completelly break the social contract of Copyright and supra-national Trade Tribunals to the Greed Is Good ideology and the replacement of traditional fairness by wealth-equalization Leftwing thinking with "let's not talk about wealth" pseudo-Equality of Liberalism).
Also, it's well time that Europe stops being dependent on military power of the (still) greatest military power in the World not least because it only lasts as long as there is goodwill from the US side and that's unlikely to survive the death throws of America as an Empire - just look at the decay of the last great Empire - Britain - during the late 19th and early 20th century to see how bad things can get for those dependent on its goodwill.
in other words please dont spread to Europe, stay beneign if possible
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Can he go fuck himself, I like sending my kids to school without body armor and I like free healthcare
Elon is succeeding in uniting the world against billionaires.
I really have nothing against European billionaires, unless they're russian.
I would love to see him go to Europe and try to convince them all the rights they have there, need to be gotten rid of. 😂
"Listen, I know you get maternity leave, but you gotta ask yourself, is that hurting the billionaire class?"
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President Musk can fuck right off. Wtf does he know about Europe...
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