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Gonna keep this short and straight to the point, we all know how they act.

With trump siding with the Tech Bros Billionaires on immigration, even after his most die hard supporters were against it. I see several MAGAS just falling in line with Elon calling them stupid and that’s why we need more educated and qualified people to take these better jobs (whilst we’re on the cusp of deleting the Department of Education).

Anyone with functions eyes and ears can tell you they’ve been played, but they’re still deeply loyal to trump even though he back tracking on one of his biggest (and few) positions. Without mass deportations or hawkish immigration laws. What the hell does trump even offer to these people other than the occasional dog whistles they love?

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[–] shalafi 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nothing I have ever read, ever, is more on point or more important in understanding Trump voters:

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

This is from 2016 and is no less relevant in 2025.

Like the author, I've lived both sides of the urban/rural divide. I get it. Y'all can scream all you want about how illogical MAGA feelings are, but that's exactly where Democrats so goddamned always fail. "But we're objectively right!", liberals shout. Being right doesn't win elections, appeals to emotion win elections.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Wow you weren't kidding that's a fantastic article. Thank you for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Amazing read, thank you for this. Saved

[–] Red_October 71 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're not only fueled by racism and hate. They're also fueled by Fear. Examine most of what they profess, their policy decisions and trends, and you can see they are deeply afraid of the world and of anyone even remotely not like them.

Look at their obsession with guns and gun culture. They are convinced that everyone "Other" will absolutely harm them if given the chance. Be it neighbors or strangers, they're sure the only thing keeping someone from hurting them is the lack of opportunity to do so.

They're afraid that they'll lose their jobs. It doesn't even bother them to call immigrants lazy, and then in the same breath exclaim that some lazy undocumented mexican is going to steal their job.

They're afraid of increasing numbers of immigrants because they're afraid that they'll become the minority, and they know damn well how minorities are treated, and it scares the shit out of them.

They're afraid of LGBTQ+ people too. They laugh and mock the idea that it's "homophobia or transphobia saying they're not afraid, but then they're afraid someone they're not attracted to will flirt with them, or their kids will be inducted into the "LGBTQ Mafia." It's not just hate, they genuinely think they are the victims and that the only thing preserving their way of life is striking first.

They are absolutely hate filled racists, for sure, but deep inside they're fucking scared and that makes them lash out.

[–] BadmanDan 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s a nicer way to put it. It’s fear, not hate.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Yoda’s line rings true in this case. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate.

[–] TootSweet 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, yes and no. But mostly yes. But kinda no. It's complicated.

Everybody, including both the "pOlItiCaL lEfT" in the U.S. and the MAGA Republicans can see... shit's kinda fucked, right? The whole world is kinda floundering right now, and the U.S. more so than many of the other parts that think of themselves as "developed" and "world powers."

And the way in which the U.S. is borked is one that hits pretty close to home for people. People's jobs are on shaky ground. And even most people with job security get ridiculously low pay. Meanwhile, the price of things like housing and medical care continues to climb.

And what passes as the "left wing" in the U.S. recognizes that the root of most of those problems is capitalism. All while capitalism is continuing to churn out propaganda in its own defense, convincing people that their jobs aren't tenuous because billionaires are assholes but rather because Mexicans are going to steal your jobs. And that worker pay isn't low because billionaires are assholes, but because the EPA is putting an undue burden on your employer, making it impossible for poor him with his seven yachts to pay you a living wage.

So, you do have to realize there is a massive propaganda campaign going on in the U.S. (not exclusively in the U.S., but it's gotten a lot of traction in the U.S.) constantly feeding people in the U.S. racist, hate-filled, fascist conspiracy theories.

But it's also the case that some people fall for it (and perpetuate it) and others don't. And in that regard, it's not as if you can put all the blame on the corporations and leave none for individual hate-filled, racist, fascist assholes.

But, it is the case that Trump and the right wing have managed to convert the discontent into support specifically for Trump via racism and hate. Where as the left(er) has the same discontent, but no love for Trump, and arguably much much less hate and racism.

So, I guess, again, the answer is "yes and no; it's complicated."

And of course all the above is a massive oversimplification as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

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As you eloquently put there's far more going on than just that, but also... yeah.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This will possibly be a contentious thread, so please be extra nice and assume the best of the other person when commenting!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I've read a couple really thoughtful replies so far.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember reading about a study that said the biggest correlation in conservative minds is they have an overactive fear center of the brain.

They are afraid of immigrants, LGBT+, etc.

If you watched Fox News all day, you'd probably be more scared than if you didn't. If you stopped, you might wonder why nobody's talking about the dangers Fox told you about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You realize those "studies" are pseudo science?

[–] MutilationWave 3 points 2 days ago

Does this look like pseudoscience to you?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I don't, no. What makes you think measuring activity in the amygdala is fake?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Well, you're talking about, at minimum, tens of millions of people, so no.

I think the vast majority of them are just easily manipulated. Every one of them I know just have misconceptions about a wide variety of things. Most of them are fueled by "conspiracy theories" and what we have known for a while is rampant propaganda, both foreign and domestic, being spread online.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There isn't one thing that motives one person, let alone large groups of people. IMO though, a large part of the support for Trump is that people are sick of "the way things are" and want change. There's overwhelming apolitical support for change, see the popularity of Luigi Mangione. I think a lot of people are willing to accept Trump because he offers change, even if it's stupid change and they know it.

[–] BadmanDan 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My personal experience, I’d rather have no change, than stupid change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That is not possible - e.g. if nothing else there is entropy.

The only constant is change.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

there's some that love their guns or their (preacher's interpretation of the) bible more than life itself, the delusional that truly believe his fucked-up ideas would be good for them, and the richest few who obviously go for tax breaks at any cost (to others, mind you); but yea, it's mostly just several different flavors of hate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Sin is never a sufficient explanation for human behavior - people don't just support trump because they are bad people and have bad qualities.

All behavior is an attempt to meet needs. There's a complex set of identities, explanations of the world, feelings of safety and material benefits that they're attempting to access by aligning with a powerful figure during uncertain times.

[–] givesomefucks 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most just don't pay attention to politics or the news, when they do it's faux news.

It's less that they're stupid and more that they're ignorant, to completely different things.

And what WB said they wanted to do with CNN to copy faux. The goal has always been ignorant voters who show up to the ballot and vote straight party.

Republicans have just been working towards it for way longer and it works better with their voters

[–] BadmanDan 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But HOW has it been working for republicans? What drives the “ignorant” voter to them? Even if economist are saying their policies are worse.

[–] givesomefucks 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Decades of propaganda...

This isn't a hypothetical after Watergate and Nixon having to resign they decided the issue was non biased reporting, so they started Fox News.

"A Plan for Putting the GOP on TV News," the 41-year-old memo that Cook says was a lynchpin in a "nakedly partisan 1970 plot by Ailes and other Nixon aides to circumvent the 'prejudices of network news' and deliver 'pro-administration' stories to heartland television viewers."

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/roger-ailes-nixon-gawker-documents/352363/

The neoliberal movement is trying to replicate it, but Republicans have too much of a head start, they'll never catch up.

But by now billionaires already own all the media because both parties have been de-regulating journalism and corporations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

For one thing, a greater reliance upon authority figures than critical thinking skills. That sounds bad, but really genuinely truly how many of us know better than an economics professor with a PhD and decades of experience in exactly that field, like Robert Reich? So we tend to think in like manner as well.

A big difference is that if said authority figure ever lets us down then we distrust anything that they say, while conservatives continue to offer the benefit of the doubt bc if they are in a position of authority, there must be a reason for it. Tbh, pastors telling people from behind a pulpit to watch Faux News has a lot to do with it...:-(

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I'd like to point out the ridiculous amount of faces being eaten by Leopards as a partial indicator. Trump and his cohort were willing to lie entirely (not uncommom among politicians, but they did a LOT) to attract voters and then right after the election started talking about their actual policies.

To be clear, a TON of people voted because yeah, they're racist. Thats just how America is at the moment. Being openly racist is at worst a mildly negative trait for the majority of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

All of trump supporters were single-voters who believed that Trump would solve all of their individual problems.

Some vote for him because they want the gays out.

Some vote for him because they want men empowered.

Some vote for him because they want immigrants deported.

Some vote for him because they just want job security.

And other things. They don't realize or care to realize that, he and the party he represents, have no ambition to change things for the better.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

People tend to like easily digestible, one-dimensional solutions as they are easy to understand. These don't exist in reality, but are offered by conservatives so it is quite compelling.

Most conservatives I know, aren't there because of racism (a couple yes are like that) but more because they don't like that life and people fall on spectrums. They prefer it be black and white, yes or no, all or nothing. That's why they cling to the ideas of gender norms, absolute rights and wrongs, in groups and out groups, etc. And those that stand to win by dividing the populace are peddling to this desire for simple solutions to complex problems.

So when faced with real life and its consequences, it is more comfortable to keep believing it and just explain away the minor discrepancies (surely they will keep the good immigrants I know, my abortion would be a moral abortion, etc.)

[–] alexc 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’d add fear and despair to the list - Probably mostly the latter, at least the ones I’ve met and talked with.

Both parties in the US and “rich people first”, but by differing degrees. That the democrats didn’t really make working people’s lives better in meaningful ways seems to be why most voted Trump.

The difference seems to be that Republicans are even more pro-rich than the Democrats but hide it better with their gaslighting and identity politics. This seems to work as republican voters hear “we feel you” from the leadership which is actively working on self-enrichment and little else.

To be honest, it’s hard to see Democrats coming back from this unless they move back to the left and do a lot more grass roots work.

[–] BadmanDan 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Didn’t Harris just get the 3rd most votes in American history and was only off like 150k votes across the blue wall from becoming president elect. I think Dems can easily come back from this.

[–] alexc 4 points 2 days ago

I do hope so. But also not in their current form. Governments need to start looking a lot more like the population they rule

[–] Chivera 3 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Don’t forget genocide, xenophobia, and insecurity!

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

As someone who actually voted for Trump, I like good wages, I like strong unions, I like my guns, and I hate abortions. I don't like companies bringing in non-union immigrants for cheaper wages. I don't like the 1994 AWB and the threats to bring it back.

Trump is not perfect, not by a long shot, but at least he claims to be for me. Harris, Biden, and Hillary, they were explicitly against me.

Ask me anything.

[–] alexc 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Claims”… Let’s see how that goes in a few months

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yup. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

[–] BadmanDan 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So I’ll go through your points.

How do you feel about Trump & Elon laughing about Union busting on a Twitter space in front of millions? https://youtube.com/shorts/w_zJCwwhxJY?si=TRuQBFB7yezxsewB

Biden/Harris bailed out union pensions when every Republican voted to kill them.

What’s your thoughts on Trump banning Bump Stocks? He’s the only president in modern history in modern history to ban a firearm attachment.

What do you think of trump possibly not banning abortion federally? Since you hate, but live in a blue state, it wouldn’t be going anywhere.

As for wages. H1Bs stop qualified Americans from getting higher paying jobs in their field.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  1. Like shit. Still, better than the alternative.

  2. Reagan and his admin banned an entire classification of fire arms, with the 1986 "Firearm Owners Protection Act". The Democrats banned common guns and features with the 1994 AWB. And still, better bump stocks than another AWB.

  3. He simply doesn't have the power to ban abortions federally, and frankly, I worry for when the democrats come back into power, so I'd rather he not have that power. I'll take what I can get when it comes to abortion.

  4. What's the question on H1Bs?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would you get an abortion then?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't, unless the baby was already dead, which isn't really an abortion, but for some reason keeps coming up in random comments I get.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well then it seems like abortions are not your problem then.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago

I don't follow. Care to elaborate?