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[–] Nuke_the_whales 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This guy in my city had anti vaxx banners and signs. One said "50k+ Canadians suffered side effects from the COVID vaccine!"

So I looked up how many people were vaccinated in Canada, and 50k was below 1% of the people vaccinated. I pointed out to the guy that this means the vaccine had a success rate without side effects of 99% and how incredible that is. Dude got pissed at me and started yelling that I was a shill.

I guess he didn't like math and common sense

[–] CleoTheWizard 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not to be that guy but 50,000 people is still a lot. Percentages are great because if they’re very low we tend to like that but it doesn’t change the absolute number.

The real comparison isn’t how safe the vaccine is, its how safe the vaccine is compared to getting the disease it’s preventing. Every medical product is not about zero harm or low harm, it’s about harm reduction. If medical therapies didn’t cause harm, we wouldn’t have chemo treatments and we would be much worse at treating cancers.

[–] Nuke_the_whales 6 points 1 day ago

Also though that 50k side effects is vague, what did the sign mean? A side effect can be a mild headache or rash, which I would imagine is the majority of those cases. A 99% rate for any medicine is incredible

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I've had people tell me and my friends similar things to this. Some people just aren't good with numbers and can't put them into perspective with other numbers and arrive at scary conclusions with no further context. Canada has 40+ million people and side effects can include trivial things such as feeling tired or having a sore arm. On a similar note, 2 of the COVID vaccines were mRNA based and some people were scaremongering about how the vaccines must somehow alter your DNA because both "mRNA" and "DNA" sound vaguely similar.

[–] hesusingthespiritbomb 10 points 1 day ago

So there are actually levels to antivaxxers. The granola nuts that think putting anything into your body is a sin are actually the extreme minority or antivaxxers these days.

The average antivaxxer is someone who has extremely little faith in both big pharma and the government as a whole. They usually come from a community that has been screwed over by both. In the US, this translates to older first generation immigrants, the African American community, and low income white people in areas that were hit hard by the opoid crisis.

A lot of these people are cool with the traditional flu vaccine, because it's been around forever. The covid vaccines on the other hand were met with skepticism, on account of it being "untested". In their eyes FDA testing and positive media coverage don't mean anything, because in their eyes both groups have lied to their faces in the past.

A lot of the antivaxxer discourse during covid frustrated me. While there were people who were legitimately just idiots, there were a lot of communities who had fears rooted in genuine trauma and frustration. Calling them a bunch of idiotic death cultists and then celebrating on social media when one of them died just resulted in those communities distrusting the system further.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Safe And Effective*

*While supply last. Subject to the oversight of the FDA, which could become politicized upon the inauguration of a new administration. ahem RFK Jr. ahem (Better hope he doesn't add bleach to vaccines)

[–] finder585 3 points 2 days ago

Better hope he doesn’t add bleach to vaccine

My life has improved so much since I embraced a so called 'evil,' and 'destructive' brain worm. Libs preach unity, but can't understand the power of many minds united into one. Sad!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Huh, that's a fun thought. If the bird flu turns into a pandemic (there's a prediction market that gives 16% for it, which is pants-shittingly terrifyingly high), we'll get to see how the Trump administration deals with one. And that... can go various ways.

On one hand, there's tons of anti-vaxxers in the Trump voting base and presumably this will affect the government, which is concerning. But on the other hand, one of the biggest problems in the COVID handling was when FDA stopped people from using already-created vaccines for idiotic bureaucracy considerations while people were literally dying by the million. That's the sort of thing that could go a lot better with just one presidential decision speeding it up, and there's a bunch of new people with power in the government now, like Elon Musk. Muskrat is a horrible person and kind of insane in some ways, but not stupid and I think he'd notice and act upon an opportunity like that. So I'm not totally pessimistic about how a new pandemic would go, either.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You just need 1 person you know working in a morgue. That’s enough to convince you that the last pandemic was really bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

You don't get it. They are part of the conspiracy. Same as all the flight personnel with chemtrails. Everything is a big conspiracy, except that Facebook post made by some anonymous account, that's real.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At this stage, the people who still need to hear this are the people we'd like to get rid of, so that problem is probably going to solve itself

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Those people often have children who's only failure is to be born in such a family. Saying that the problem is going to solve itself is rather unempathic and will do quite some harm the said children of such people. (Just saying)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a reminder: Animal Agriculture is the leading cause of Zoonoses (PDF: The infectious disease trap of animal agriculture)

Eat a plant based diet to limit pandemics!

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of being dead because I took the COVID vaccine.

[–] SendMePhotos 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was told I'd be dead in 5 years because of the covid Vax. So like... Nice talking to you all. This is my year.

[–] Diplomjodler3 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

First it was one year. Then it was two. Now it's five. Soon it'll be ten. The bullshit never stops.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Same like "in 10 years we will have fusion power"

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[–] masterbaexunn 22 points 2 days ago

The worst thing about it is that this kind of garbage is leaking out of the United States. US citizens are weird af and poorly educated.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Well at least they can be. We just have to raise the trust in actual clinical trials more. Its perfectly reasonable to be skeptical and cautious until there is actual proof that something is safe. And if the studies are done well, they sadly take longer than a pandemic takes to spread. But better late than never for sure.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Or remind people of the horrible specter that polio was, and the shadow it cast over society at the time. People lived in constant dread of catching something that could leave them physically ruined, and even wheelchair bound for the rest of their lives back then.

Covid, in its early strains, had the potential to leave you hospitalized and drowning in your own lungs for weeks as it ran its course. Granted, that's not polio levels of bad... But that's still weeks of hell, and several more years of hospital billing hell that I would like to avoid.

Weighing those outcomes, I opted for early access to the vaccine. Even though it was more to minimize the risk of an expensive hospital stay.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes 19 points 2 days ago

A) of fucking course

B) always important to say

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Got a friend who's anti vax because they said a couple of their friends didn't get vaccinated and were fine, those who did get it suffered from covid and got very sick.

[–] DragonsInARoom 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nuh uh, I get my immunization naturally by rolling around in shit and eating out of date food. Gotta not get any of that microplastic and microtrackers the Rockefeller's put in the "vaccines". FaceBook is my bible!

[–] affiliate 11 points 2 days ago

i do all of that and still get my vaccines. in a few years my immune system will be so powerful that nothing will be able to kill me

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

THAT IS TRUE!!!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Don't worry, RFK Jr will ban them.

[–] thenextguy 10 points 2 days ago

So, get all your birds vaccinated, kids.

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