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This is the exact kind of fucker that just helped get Trump elected.
Yes, and now they are proudly declaring they aren't going to put down the shovel. They want to keep digging this hole we're in.
There is no bottom by the way, they will just keep digging until enough people learn the lessons. If we wait to see how bad it can get it will only get worse.
In an era where people, right and left, are loudly cheering on a guy that allegedly murdered a CEO, this idiot advisor thinks the direction we need to go is defunding Medicare and further privatization of government functions.
This jackass wants Democrats to be a conservative party to respond to the existing conservative party. He literally wants to do the southern strategy again.
Ffs. Get rid of the dinosaurs and start over. If the Dems can't do it, maybe it's time for a new party.
Yeah. I'm done with the dems. After seeing pelosi win from her hospital bed I knew there was no future for this party. Their only identity now is the "not trump" party, which doesnt work when half the country views him favourably.
The Democrats and Republicans being the only game in town is a consequence of our first-past-the-post voting system. We are stuck with the Dems until we change the system. To refuse to use the Democratic Party, our only to effective political tool, is to refuse to engage meaningfully in politics.
The issue with that is the US's first-past-the-post system which results in our two party system. We need to change the system or else a new party will only act as a spoiler.
Yes, I am unfortunately aware of this.
These are people who would see Franklin D Roosevelt as an extremist.
Instead he was the most consequential and effective president the US has ever had and the right have been unpicking his legacy over the decades since. The Democrats have been complicit in that.
This is exactly what they HAVE been doing for DECADES! What a crock of shit!
Yes but now there's a fresh dose of "but not like Bernie" to placate the blue donors.
Hilarious. Why do a less committed version of the same shitty politics as the other party? Who the fuck is this going to win over? Did you miss what happened in November?
I would ask if they were high but that would encourage creativity and awaken any remaining embers of idealism so it can't be the case.
Just leaving this here for no particular reason https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA?si=eDv9_1tiy_bvlFCJ
SHIVERS [Medium: Success]
Democrat strategist boardroom, 2AM. Three men are pacing around a conference table, their polished leather shoes staining the papers scattered across the dimly lit room. They look stumped, sweat dripping from their reddened foreheads. One of the men stammers half words and stops himself, discarding another idea. The man to his left lights a cigarette.
After an uncomfortable silence, glimmer returns to his eyes, he snaps his fingers and promptly says: "What if we sucked even worse?"
Literally "you know who was a great president? Ronald Reagan".
I want to get off of Mr. Jazz Asphodel's wild ride :(
Disco shitposts are the absolute pinnacle of the art.
Also, a great out of context quote that somehow works better out of context at showing how bad these ideas are.
“You’d think the Democrats would do better. I look at it from that perspective and so are we in as deep trouble as we were in 1984, 1988? Probably not. But there are trends like what’s happening among working-class voters of all colours and ethnic groups that are concerning. If they aren’t arrested, they could lead us into the wilderness again.”
Cheryl, it sounds like grandpa is off his meds again. Can you get him into the living room and in front of the TV so he doesn't scare the kids?
Grandpa wants to arrest everyone again!
The Democratic strategists predictably have both learned nothing from this losing this election and are planning on shifting the party to the right. Accelerationism is useless. There was no leverage over the Democrats, instead they are going to chase after moderates and conservatives who voted. If we are lucky enough to have another election, please vote and encourage other people to vote.
the lack of votes is because the democrats suck; telling them to vote wo addressing the reasons why they don't vote is a waste of time.
There can be more than one lesson from an election. Democrats need a populist socialist and progressive narrative. Socialists, progressives, and leftists in general need to push the Democrats to the left by voting for them during elections. Between elections we need grassroots movements to get better candidates.
If leftists cling to accelerationism in 2026 and 2028 we will see the rightward trend of the Democrat party continue. Accelerationism makes it harder to fix things by allowing them to get worse while learning nothing.
Vote for who? The democrats were unelectable this election and will remain unelectable until they ditch their corporate status quo nonsense. This isn't to say Trump is a better option, but the GOP and DNC were never competing on the same level and thinking they are will only lead to more Trump or Trump wannabes because no matter how much you (or anyone else) tell people to vote people won't vote for the current DNC.
The answer is that you vote in the primaries to shift the party left as far as you can, and then you vote in the general for whatever version of that party you end up with that time around. You don't sit on your ass in the expectation that they will come to you; you make them come to you.
The primary that the DNC messes with to get the candidate they want every time? Or the one they skip or cancel when it doesn't suit them? Not saying people shouldn't vote in primaries, but the DNC is way beyond being fixed by actions like this.
The primary that the DNC messes with to get the candidate they want every time? Or the one they skip or cancel when it doesn’t suit them?
The person you are responding to loves this and is gloating.
Primaries. Plural. As in there are a whole bunch of them. Not just the one for president.
You don't start at the top. You get your candidates in from the bottom up, and then you go for the top jobs.
Look, you only have two options here; fix the party you have, or come up with a realistic plan for building a new one that can somehow be electorally viable. So unless you really think you can offer a clear and actionable path to the latter, you're stuck with the former.
I mean I'm not American so I can't do much except watch and yap on the internet, but I do think making a new party and starting local is a lot more viable than changing the DNC. At least that way the fossils at the top won't be fighting you at every turn.
You don't start at the top. You get your candidates in from the bottom up, and then you go for the top jobs.
The DNC plays favorites with those too so...
The US' two party system is a result of our first-past-the-post voting system. We need to change the system first or else all leftist third parties will act as spoilers for the Democrats.
The two-party system guarantees a party duopoly, but it doesn't say anything about which parties become part of that duopoly so it's possible to depose one of the two big parties in a certain election like what Bernie did in Vermont. Now at least for a while you'll end up splitting the vote, but you'll need to accept that much if you want to get anything done because the DNC will absolutely not, never pass election reform or shift left.
The two-party system guarantees a party duopoly, but it doesn’t say anything about which parties become part of that duopoly
Unfortunately the Democrats and Republicans have been entrenched for decades. The first-post-the-post system played out long before we were even alive.
so it’s possible to depose one of the two big parties in a certain election like what Bernie did in Vermont.
Bernie is not deposing the Democratic party, but co-opting it. He caucuses with the Democratic Party. We need to fully co-opt the Democratic party which is what Bernie tried to do in 2016 and 2020. This is what Trump has done to the Republican Party with the MAGA movement.
Now at least for a while you’ll end up splitting the vote,
Until we change the system, third parties will always split the vote. It's a mathematical certainty.
but you’ll need to accept that much if you want to get anything done because the DNC will absolutely not, never pass election reform
There are numerous examples of rank choice voting being implemented in America in blue states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States
or shift left.
The Democrats have been incrementally shifting left since Clinton. Biden was our most progressive president since at least Carter by virtue of being the least conservative. Democrat Supreme Court justice nominations and appointments led to gay marriage being legalized.
If people on the left vote for Democrats, the Democrats will shift left. If people on the left spend their time denying themselves their most useful strategy to gain political power during elections, voting for Democrats, then the Democrats will shift right. edit: typo
Primaries. Plural. As in there are a whole bunch of them. Not just the one for president.
Jessica Cisneros says hello.
Democrats of course because they are the furthest left, by virtue of being the least conservative, viable party we have. They are the only political tool available because of our first-past-the-post system.
Democrats cannot be leveraged by not voting for them. They have to be pushed to the left by voting for them. If they see there is a large block of socialist and progressive voters in the electorate they will move to capture these voters.
Until leftists learn to see their vote as a routine utility based decision they will not have any political power. To not vote is to give up power. Getting better candidates comes from grassroots movements between elections.
If we don't want to live under fascist rule then as long as we still have elections we need to vote for the Democrats. We need to tell people to vote for the Democrats and explain why. If anyone has the energy to argue on the internet then they can argue for the most useful approach we have.
No one thinks the Democrats are a great political party. But voting is the means of liberating ourselves from Republican rule in a two-party system. If people won't vote for Democrats then they will be ruled by fascists.
People will vote in their own self-interest. The amount of energy that goes into trying to make the most useful things people could do during elections, vote for Democrats, seem useless is of course to the benefit of the owner class and Republicans.
Counterpoint: Progressives (and many other groups) voted for Biden in large numbers for the DNC, and what came out of that was the 2024 shitshow and a lame duck president. The DNC thinks, only partially correctly, that as long as progressives don't have a viable third party they'll be forced to vote blue like it or not and that as a result the party can shift right as much as it wants. You say that voting for them gives you leverage, but what good is leverage that you can't use?
lolwut, maybe read your own post it's contradictory.
What USA needs is more political parties.
The US has more political parties. What we need is a voting system where third parties are not spoiler candidates.
"wE don't NeEd aN extRemiSt."