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Ukraine's digital minister has reported concerns about the country's overreliance on Elon Musk's Starlink satellite internet system amid the war with Russia, The New York Times reports.

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[–] Dankry 148 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They’re right to be concerned. There is simply no reason whatsoever to trust Elon Musk. He is an unhinged right wing extremist agitator.

[–] Cynicivity 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I read that as unhinged right wing extremist alligator, and was wondering what you know that we do not lol

[–] Mirshe 10 points 2 years ago

Who will apparently go to bat for anyone that strokes his ego a little bit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Similar to Tesla, his bullshit has the potential to cost lives. Only now on a much greater scale. Gdi.

[–] Chainweasel 76 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They should be concerned. He has the mentality of a 5 year old and could just decide to cut off their infrastructure on a whim.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Thankfully he seems to be distracted fucking around with Twitter instead

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago
[–] kayos 7 points 2 years ago

Or keep feeding the data to Putin.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Prior_Industry 16 points 2 years ago
[–] ItsMeSpez 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Starlink satellites make up the majority of satellites orbiting Earth

This is so wild to me.

[–] hglman 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's just how impactful reusability is. Buying a tank of gas vs a new car.

[–] tagliatelle 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Reusability has nothing to do with it. Hardly any of the rockets have been reusable (in terms of saving significant money on launches). It's just that spacex is dumping enormous amounts of satellites in LEO. It's going to become a huge problem when other companies/countries does the same.

[–] hglman 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Its only possible bc a launch is cheap enough for them to do it. Cost of of placing them in orbit is the whole reason there is a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

ULA I believe said reuse would be profitable for them after 12 launches. For SpaceX, it's likely lower since they're built more from the ground up for reusability. But they're up to reflying 20 times, so it'll be even more profitable for them.

Also, starlink latches have been on older boosters, pushing the max reuses. So they benefit much more from reusability than the average falcon 9 customer.

[–] Hyggyldy 26 points 2 years ago

Breaking news: Starlink to be renamed to X.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 17 points 2 years ago

Can't imagine why, he seems like such a stable genius...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Relying on Musk is a deal with the devil. I get Ukrainians desperation though, obviously.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

The way you know that Elon is a chaos agent: now that this is reported, he will not feel the need or desire to assure them of his good intentions; he'll say some crazy, bombastic shit and then do something unhinged and blame the Ukrainians somehow.

[–] DarraignTheSane 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not saying this is happening, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we found out that Musk was leaking any and all traffic from Starlink, including Ukraine military comms, in the name of """free speech""".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That not really possible though. In the same way your isp can’t see what YouTube video you’re watching, encryption stops musk from seeing what the military sends to each other. Unless of course the Ukrainian military doesn’t to the whole security thing, which is doubtful.

[–] girltwink 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

DNS can be used to leak some information, but DNS over HTTPS is maturing, and hopefully Ukraine is using something like PGP or the signal protocol.

[–] echo64 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I hate musk as much as every self respecting person, but this isn't possible. These systems are designed to run over the Internet, and thus heavily encrypted.

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[–] TIEPilot 7 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Never put all your eggs in one basket...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Even if he wasn't a fragile narcissist, having one point of failure would be bad.

[–] jaschen 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Elon is when Ironman decided to be evil instead.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] jaschen 9 points 2 years ago

Mostly stupid

[–] kmkz_ninja 1 points 2 years ago

Justin Hammer, except he unfortunately isn't played by Sam Rockwell.

[–] BrrooklynMan 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

yeah, I can understand.

like, if this were, say, 1942 and I wanted to take aspirin for my headache, I’d try to find another manufacturer than Bayer.

I still do, for that matter.

[–] Ahmed 2 points 2 years ago

Wait till he enables a rate limit on that internet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're right to. He might start cutting service off to those who express the rights over their own body.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

All monopolies are bad but I do not see a way for other private companies to break into this industry to compete with spacex. I also don't think I want them too, we've too many satellites just waiting for china or russia to fuck something up as it is. Can't wait for kessler syndrome to permanently lock us onto an overheating planet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I am also concerned. About that.

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