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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For the lazy:

the president did not commute the sentences of three people whose crimes included mass shootings or acts of terrorism: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, one of two brothers responsible for the deadly Boston Marathon bombing in 2013; Dylann Roof, a White nationalist who massacred nine people at a historically Black church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015; and Robert Bowers, who killed 11 worshippers at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018.

I don't agree with the death penalty on principle, so I understand why he didn't commute those sentences, but I still think he should have.

[–] dhork 65 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If he commuted those sentences, though, the narrative would focus on how Biden was being soft on mass murderers, and not on the death penalty itself.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Who cares? He doesn't need to appear "tough on crime" for reelection.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Idiots will condemn the entire American democratic party because of it though. Either way.

[–] billiam0202 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Apparently Americans can't remember what happened four years ago, so this wouldn't even register by the next election cycle.

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[–] distantsounds 10 points 2 weeks ago

Considering Biden’s actions with Israel, he is soft on mass murderers

[–] Rapidcreek 72 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Morally it’s the right thing to do in my eyes. It’s also surprising how the pro life and pro death penalty people are the same people usually.

[–] JcbAzPx 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pro life only lasts until you're born. After that it's pro death.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

There's a very bad joke o remember hearing a long time ago. It's something along the lines of: "I'm in favor of killing babies, but I don't like to give women a choice." Most pro-life people actually are that, except they extended "baby" way before birth in a stupid way. They're fine with killing actually post-birth babies though.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He didn't commute the one Boston bomber, Dylan Roof, and the Tree of Life shooter. Which is good. I don't agree with the death penalty but you can't really pardon people like that.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's not a pardon. They would still be subject to the harshest punishment possible in civilized countries, and would never again be a threat to anyone.

[–] Rapidcreek 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most civilized countries have abolished the death penalty

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for clarifying my point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And the confusion here is exactly why it would have been a PR nightmare. The average American is really stupid.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 3 points 2 weeks ago

Well I more just mean HE couldn't because probably that would be unpopular with the groups who were targeted by them.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think you can, especially when the sentence is still life in prison. Remember that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt, so they would not ever be paroled.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

These weren't pardons, but commuted sentences. I don't know what the stipulations surrounding that are

[–] TheTechnician27 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt

This was true, but that no longer applies. (at least at the federal level; I have no clue how state courts have ruled on this.)

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 2 weeks ago

Well I have to admit I agree with the court there. A pardon should not be an admission of guilt. So even though that changes what I said, I have to concur with them. Thank you for letting me know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I actually have a friend who’s quite… strange. He’s pretty right wing, very into certain conspiracy theories, pro musk, etc, yet one of the nicest guys you’ll meet and certainly the guy you’d be calling to bail you out of jail in a pinch. Anyways, he actually opposes the death penalty exactly because he’s pro life. Said he couldn’t reconcile both of those stances.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's good! That means he's at least a reasonable person. He can think for himself and can consider if ideas are idiologically consistent. I hope that eventually translates to him having empathy with people and then noticing how conservative politics fucks people over just for the sake of having an enemy though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's only surprising if you know nothing about the group beyond the inaccurate name they use to identify themselves

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Should preemptively pardon luigi

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Biden is a corporatist, he is literally not on our side with that one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I know, I Said should not would. Who knows the person puppeting him weekend at Bernie's style might?

Look I need something to hope for lmao.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Lmfao "with that one"

[–] FlyingSquid 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Of course, Trump will have millions of death row sentences to hand down once they find out how expensive those concentration camps are and how long it will take to get countries to be willing to take all of those millions of people back and decides to come up with a Final Solution.

[–] cybervseas 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We already have a well-developed forced labor prison infrastructure, and there will be plenty of farm work to do. The camps will pay for themselves, and enrich big corporations in the process.

[–] Boddhisatva 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, lots of people are going to make lots of money off of this. Just not the brown people working in the fields. I guess this is what the GOP means when talk about the good old days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't the expense of the camps part of the intent?

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the intent is genocidal fascism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Why not both?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And Super Brother of Mario?

[–] Stern 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Gotta have a sentence before a commutation or pardon, I believe.

[–] Boddhisatva 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] thesohoriots 6 points 2 weeks ago

Super Star theme starts playing

[–] idiomaddict 6 points 2 weeks ago

Nixon didn’t before his pardon, but I suspect it would be necessary for a commutation.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

To hear it from the conservative side of my family ... "Is there no limit on how many people he can commute?" and "There's no way he's able to sign all those letters, he can barely keep his eyes open."

I don't know how accurate it is, but they were saying he has already freed 1,500 people. I asked how many of those people were convicted of non-violent drug related charges, and they did not know nor did they seem to care. I thought that was interesting given some of my relatives', shall we call it, histories.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't worry Trump has a plan for Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers that doesn't involve them getting executed.

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