Turkey is such a beautiful country with great people, and I'm never going back until this bastard is deposed.
He's more dangerous than Orban
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Thanks pal, we’re doing our best but the game’s rigged.
What a dunce. WW1 was over a hundred years ago now. There are probably three generations of people removed from that tune period who have lived in the area their entire lives.
The wwi borders of syria don't make sense and never did. What makes sense is a hard problem though - I'm guessing tha country needs to split into 3 but I'm an outsider who locals of syria should not listen to.
In related news, Italy announces plans to annex Turkey.
Or Greece annexes the rest of Cyprus...
i wonder if south Italy or turkey is more fucked
Millions of Americans are going to descend on Turkey in a few more nights.
Telegram channel "Turkey Top News" reported
Maybe Erdogan did say that, but its absurd giving a Telegram channel like that as a source.
The historical precedent for a leader promising to revise the outcome of World War I is (how shall I put this) a cause for concern.
A large number of Syrians might be happy to become Turkish citizens, since many of them preferred to be in Turkey even as refugees. However, I doubt Erdogan has them in mind. I bet he's thinking about Kurds who definitely don't feel that way.
An Armenian news website citing some telegram channel on news about Turkey. yeaaaaaah, sounds legit /s
Wonder if he's going to revisit Turkiye's policy on Armenians. Maybe he can ask Bibi for guidance on how to genocide if he forgot.
Fucking dickhead. This doesn't help the turkish people, country's fucked, and this won't fix it.
source : turk
Yeah, because having more Kurd population in Turkey will solve all problems, lol.
Curious, if that happens, is that part of EU and NATO? Or are they (EU and NATO) gonna refuse to recognize it? 🤔
Article 6
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
I presume that the other NATO countries will refuse to recognize annexed areas as part of the territory of Turkey and so they will not be protected by the treaty. Note how the treaty already does not protect even internationally recognized parts of certain member countries (for example Hawaii).
What if the Syrians carry out retaliatory strikes in Turkey?
Syria no longer has the military power to pose a real threat to Turkey, so they likely wouldn't invoke article five anyway. Plus, if they invoke article five, they would then have all of NATO camped in their backyard. That would put a serious damper on any of the more egregious things Erdogan wants to get away with.
From when Turkey first invaded Syria:
Ulrike Franke, a fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, said it is "incredibly unlikely" that Turkey would invoke Article 5 in this situation. Asking for help would amount to an embarrassing "admission of failure" on Ankara's part. And even if Turkey did, Article 5 does not mandate NATO members to join the Syrian war on Turkey's side. It merely requires allies to assist with "such action as it deems necessary."
It goes against the idea of NATO which is based off the United Nations Charter.
NATO is a defensive alliance where the respect for sovereignty and mutual defense is what makes it work.
Turkey going for annexation goes against the ideology of NATO by not respecting international sovereignty. NATO will never help them in a forceful annexation. But if everybody involved allows the annexation peacefully, eventually it will be accepted.
If Turkey annexes by force, there are 3 most likely possibilities: NATO kicks them out, NATO stays neutral and does not help (even when the Kurds/Syrians retaliate), or NATO keeps a defensive role at the border while ensuring humanitarian aid to the area.
Whether or not NATO recognizes the annexation will depend on a vote by the members (Most likely with a high approval requirement).
dafuq are you serious is everybody trying to change territories now? anybody else wants to say something?
Can we (the US) take the opportunity to give Texas back to Mexico?
Mexico: no takesies backsies.
Alamo? Never heard of 'er
If I were an authoritarian or dictator, I'd be staking a claim before my friend and admirer takes office in January.
Do they need them?