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[–] [email protected] 208 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There’s (mostly) nothing wrong with the technology. It’s the enshittification and profit motive behind nearly everything that’s the real problem.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How do you separate the two? To me smartphones seem like the sort of thing that was always headed in a bad direction. It's inherently a tracking device. Touchscreens are easy to use and intuitive but really slow and inefficient for most things that go beyond browsing/viewing content. It pushes you to get all your software from a centralized walled garden. If it weren't for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldn't be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do you separate the two?

you end capitalism

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[–] TheBat 11 points 1 week ago

If it weren't for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldn't be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

Exactly. Eternal September was peanuts compared to smartphone connectivity.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I think that having the convenience of an easy-to-use, always-online device in your pocket at all times is inherently addicive. The profit motive just compounds this issue on purpose to extract wealth, but it is more of a symptom of a larger issue.

Humans, nor any other animal on this planet have ever existed in an era that they can be always connected to everyone in their species at all times; even having that ability at all is revolutionary and unprecidented.

It used to be that the only people you talk to would be people in your local area, but now a significant portion of the percentage of people that an average person is likely to encounter on a daily basis is via means where their real character is hidden behind a carefully curated mask.

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[–] Nurse_Robot 63 points 1 week ago (19 children)

I'm prepared for the downvotes knowing where I'm posting.

If you hate it that much, why are you using it? It's a tool. It's useful. It also allows you to overindulge, but that says more about you than the tool.

[–] Lauchs 86 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A lot of those are problems caused by phones regardless of whether one uses one themselves.

But for the personal ones, there are self aware addicts of all kinds. Smokers know cigarettes are killing them, complain about them, sometimes even hate them but can't stop.

Edit: pair o words

[–] Nurse_Robot 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a fair and well measured response. It begs the question of what we can do as individuals, and when it comes to smart phones I don't think there's much.

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[–] rtxn 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yet, you engage with society. Curious.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

For someone sharing OP's opinion, simply "not using it" wouldn't solve anything. Most of the problems OP lists is stems from that people in general use them.

I'm not saying you should agree with OP, but your argument misses the point.

[–] zloubida 19 points 1 week ago

Smartphones are using me more than I use them. I hate them, and love them, and hate that I love them.

[–] ch00f 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As someone who carries around a flip phone on purpose, it’s not impossible to live without a smartphone, but it’s getting more challenging.

Ticketmaster now requires a smartphone. You can’t print tickets. Which means I can no longer go to baseball games.

So far, that’s the only thing I’ve found that’s a hard block, but many other things are certainly not designed for the phone impaired.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't have one, I'm browsing from my computer. I still go through all the inconveniences listed above and some more. Checkmate, smartphone user.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

the guy exclusively lists cultural phenomena. how would not using a phone personaly solve any of these?

"It's just a tool" is such an ignorant statement in general. The tools we use have been shaping or culture for thousands of years. There is no choice not to take part in the current state of humanity. "It's just a tool" is what people who want to sell you their technology tell you to make you forget about the effects it can have on a bigger scale.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (25 children)

The problem isn't smartphones, it's capitalism.

All of those things would have happened anyway in a different form factor because capitalism is just a race to the bottom.

Except maybe UI design. That has been special in its enshittification.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ruined photography?

Professionals or hobbyists can still use a proper camera but the old maxim "sometimes the best camera is the one you have with you" often applies and cellphones do fairly well in that regard

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think is more about how the smartphone and apps like instagram uses a bunch of filters and things like that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That part I can agree with. Plus the "AI editing" bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (11 children)

smartphone manufacturers have almost no common standards, they are made to be bought and then disposed of instead of upgrading the specs

it's impossible to do stuff like upgrading ram which would be very easy on a computer, and every smartphone has a different cpu

companies are doing their best to keep the open source guys out of the game, which in my opinion would solve a lot of the issues if this weren't the case

I want a smartphone without ios or android but just plain linux, which should be upgradable and durable, possibly with open source firmware and that kind of stuff

[–] SpaceNoodle 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You want a Framework laptop

That shit is not going to fit in your pocket

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (9 children)

You don't hate smartphones; you hate capitalism.

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[–] Thcdenton 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Calling out cops on their bullshit, troublshooting your pc when you bork the ethernet, sending photos of your feces to your friends to name a few

[–] Hule 17 points 1 week ago

Usable flashlight!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maps/gps navigation and being able to talk to someone across the world for free (provided you have an internet connection). Genz and younger millennials don’t know how expensive long-distance calls were back then.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Proved the underpaid math teacher wrong when they said we wouldn't always have a calculator in our pocket.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

GPS, music, and I disagree about the camera. I’d love a dumb phone that could do GPS music and a camera and nothing else besides text and calls.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I can watch porn on the go?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah definitely the smartphone is why I still don’t have a girlfriend yup yup

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Ruined pointless but enjoyable arguments with mates in the pub. In the old days you could get a good 15 minutes of entertainment out of 'Was it Matt Damon or Mark Wahlberg in that Three Kings movie?'

Now some asshat with a phone will kill that argument in 5 seconds.

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[–] psycho_driver 20 points 1 week ago

GPS and calendar.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I like having maps and gps with me

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[–] JeeBaiChow 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Apparently parents love it as it keeps the kids quiet and relieves them of the stress of parenting.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I honestly hate smartphones as well, not because of any of what OP posted. On my PC, I can install whatever I want, including swapping out the OS. Most smartphones are locked down, and the few that allow alternative ROMs have huge incompatibilities w/ FOSS OSes (i.e. getting SMS to work is a bit spotty).

My phone runs GrapheneOS. I would much rather use something else (e.g. PostmarketOS), but it's the least bad option that supports all the features I need. I am still limited to Android-compatible apps, and developing for my phone is a lot more painful than any other ARM-based device because I'm stuck w/ the Android ecosystem.

The end result is that I don't feel like I truly own my phone, whereas I definitely feel that way about my PC. Yeah, my phone is convenient, and I don't use most of the nonsense Anon is complaining about (I mostly use websites on my phone instead of apps), but I still generally dislike having a thing in my pocket that I don't actually control.

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[–] Freefall 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, none of that is the phone's fault. That is like blaming fast food for being a fat ass.

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[–] Frostbeard 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Before modern smartphones existed, I dreamed that they would one day exist and we could use computers and the Internet whereever we are, not just from home/work/school.

There are bad things about them too, but overall I would not want to do without them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (7 children)

People either have forgotten or didn't live in the time before smart phones, but the world was fucking boring as, you HAD to talk to someone because you were so fucking bored, that's why we discovered shit, we were bored and had to do something, then turtle neck man gave us smartphones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ruined cell phone keyboards

Ruined cell phone batteries

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