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Even gamers nexus' Steve today said that they're about to start doing Linux games performance testing soon. It's happening, y'all, the year of the Linux desktop is upon us. ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 minutes ago

When SteamOS releases on all devices people will say "I'll switch when every peice of Windows software is compatible" or some other unreasonable and impossible accomplishment. Even if every peice of Windows software was compatible people would say "ill switch to Linux when it looks and functions identically to Windows".

[–] Cheems 19 points 2 hours ago

I recently switched to fedora and I didn't think it would be difficult, but it was even easier than I expected. Every game I've tried to play has worked perfectly.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago) (5 children)

To anyone reading this thinking "once SteamOS comes out, I'll switch", you should know:

Gaming on Linux is already here. Pick a distro and game. You can take advantage of Proton right now. You don't need to wait for one specific distro.

I've personally been gaming on Linux exclusively for about 3 years. Windows games, not Linux games.

Edit: based on other commenters' suggestions, I'll give you some.

I have gamed for those three years on PopOS. It is a distro based on Debian, ultimately, which means it's also related to Ubuntu and Mint. Realistically, you can pick any of those 4 and you should have a nice experience.

Arch is popular with the übergeeks, and I do use it on my laptop, BTW, but you shouldn't use it as a first distro.

The concept of "distro" doesn't really exist for Windows, because you pretty much get one monolithic product. But basically, it is a specific mix of software that works together and relies on the Linux kernel. Imagine it as a "version" of Windows with specific goals, some of which are overlapping (e.g. Mint and Ubuntu tend to cater to the same audience).

If you get far enough into it, the freedom that Linux allows means that you can turn any distro into any other distro.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 minutes ago (1 children)

Tbh the vast majority of people who say "ill switch to (insert Linux distro here) when (insert accomplishment here)" will most likley never switch

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

Fair enough. I tend to agree, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, because, you know, FOSS and freedom.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's actually surprising how easy it is to use.

My wife was playing Baldur's Gate 3 on her windows laptop (GOG version, DRM free) and I just wanted to see if I can run it on my Linux laptop.

Just copied the game folder from her laptop to my external SSD, plugged it into my laptop, ran through proton. Everything works without any issues. Simple as that.

I was pleasantly surprised. We could even join via LAN and had some co-op fun. After trying it out I think I'm buying the game.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

"Pick a distro" is why they're waiting for steamos, presumably.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 30 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

This is fair. I should have given my own suggestions.

Mint is probably the choice at the moment for new folks. Also, this will be controversial, but feel free with Ubuntu. It will get you started, and that's great.

Edit: I added some (open-ended) suggestions to my original comment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I think that is perfectly valid and I’ll happily recommend steamos to newcomers. I’m only a little worried about it being locked to flatpaks by default though. Hopefully that will change, but for most users it will be a good start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

I wouldn't say SteamOS for new folks, tbh. Flatpaks are very different from the typical Linux flow.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago

locked to flatpaks by default makes sense long-term, I think.

Might be a little difficult in the beginning though.

[–] Sonicdemon86 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'll switch when 10 finally dies, they state Oct 2025 but if even less people go to 11 they won't really have a choice but to keep 10 up and running. Make 10 the last Windows OS ever. Never go to 11.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 28 minutes ago

But... Why not now? I can't think of a single reason.

[–] haulyard 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

Sons is mostly playing Valorant right now on Windows 11. I’m an old dude familiar with FreeBSD, and Debian. No clue about running games and stuff though. Would he be able to switch?

edit: thanks for the insight. Sounds like a no-go for now until anti-cheat stuff is supported outside windows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 40 seconds ago)

Yes, anti-cheat specifically is a problem. That's you fighting against the corpos, to be clear. Not really an issue with gaming on Linux itself.

Edit: not only against the corpos, but more generally against the idea of "kernel-level anti-cheat". If you're giving any corporation kernel-level access to your machine, you basically no longer control your machine. That's true of Windows too.

It's a big issue and the lack of support on Linux is a bit of a feature, not really a bug.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

Some Linux Competitive Multiplayer games that generally "just work" and perform well under Linux: Insurgency Sandstorm, Hunt Showdown, Hell Let Loose, Dead by Daylight, Battlebit

[–] lordbritishbusiness 7 points 1 hour ago

To be 100% honest, probably not, and you may need to confirm with someone who knows Valorant. The big issue is anti-cheat, the detectors in use for major multiplayer games tend to lose their minds when they see Linux as they're typically only built for Windows. Other than anti-cheat, it wouldn't surprise me if it played better on Linux. Some of the low level magic has improved a lot in recent years, but official support is mandatory for multiplayer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

It's the only category of games that doesn't work, they use kernel windows modules for anti-cheat and they don't have any plans to support

[–] ZephyrXero 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

In my case it's a sign I might should try out PC gaming again. I've been console exclusively for like 15 years now because so few games used to work. But with Steamdeck's popularity we might actually start seeing more than 10% of games getting native ports 🤞

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

At this point we don't even need native ports. Developers can just make a windows version and we can play it with proton

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

Having more developers natively release for Linux implies removing influence from Windows and making more people realize it is a viable option for daily computer use.

It's not just about gaming at this point, it's about changing an entire paradigm and erode monopolies.

Can you imagine a Linux "monopoly" on personal computers? The dumb discussions about using Arch, Fedora, Debian or Suse? It would only be hot air escaping mouths because under the hood every development on one side is feeding improvement into the entire ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

A Linux distro with a great OOTB experience for gamers would go a long way.

  • Steam pre-installed
  • trustworthy Flatpak packages for popular gamer apps like Discord (not uploaded by some nameless rando)
    • TeamSpeak for curmudgeons like me and my friends
  • desktop environment tailored to Windows users
  • auto-install and configure graphics drivers for AMD and Nvidia
  • configurable automatic updates and system backup
  • choice between Chromium, Firefox, etc. for default browser during setup
  • included in Steam Deck compatibility testing
[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago
[–] asap 25 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Luckily for you this already exists, and it's effectively SteamOS:

https://bazzite.gg/

You can even put this on a Steam Deck as a drop-in replacement.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Bazzite is fantastic and it's what I'm running on my gaming laptop, but I've always wondered why you would want to put it on a Steam Deck? Is it for the people who use it as a laptop replacement?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Beca*se I’m tired of using an ancient version of KDE Plasma?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

the biggest wall imo is still getting companies with anticheat games on board.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

It will be the opposite. Even Microsoft hates kernel-level anti-cheat.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

IMO, no one should be playing games with kernel level anticheat. There is no way I would let any big gaming company have that level of control over my PC. It's a security nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

sadly theres a line between shouldn't and how the market responds to it. Regardless of the fact, it is a hurdle, and the reason why not all of the top games on the concurrent player list on steam is playable on SteamOS, whether one likes it or not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

If gamers were buying in their best interest nintendo would be bankrupt, there is what gamers should do and there is the real world. The sad reality is that only the low end gamers care about vanguard and they aren’t paying the bills in riot

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if Valve will eventually offer their own system of checks similar to Google Play Integrity? I don't think I'd care for it since it's an invasion of personal choice on a device that you own, but for people who want to play competitive games with cheating problems, running a partition with integrity checking seems a fair trade.

[–] lordnikon 7 points 3 hours ago

Yeah you can do most of that server side but they don't want to pay for it. Why pay when your players let you coop their machine for free or even better yet pay you for the privilege. Also player run dedicated servers would fix all of this. Don't like the cheaters movement servers. Own the server ban them. We had this working just fine in the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago

Or getting players & friends to stop playing those types of games when there are so many compatible games to choose from.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

That will be more likely as more people start using SteamOS.
If SteamOS can get enough users, then not supporting it will start to hurt the game developers profits.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It does often feel like as soon as a significant hurdle is overcome, the industry just makes another one.

Hopefully SteamOS/Steam on Linux gets enough traction to force publishers to reconsider.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

And with every step it's getting better. 10 years ago almost no games were natively supported and you needed to fuck around a lot to start anything with wine and most didn't work anyway. Nowadays everything just works, and the only category of games that doesn't is that slop with kernel level anticheat.
The improvement was monumental.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

I don’t understand this tbh. It’s here already. SteamOS will likely be just like the deck - immutable arch running the existing steam package.

You can totally do this today and it works great. Don’t want to mess with arch and that confusing command line? Use something easier like mint and install the flatpak - then you don’t even have to futz with nvidia drivers. Or use bazzite?

What does steamOS offer that we don’t already have? (Serious question)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

I think it's mostly a matter of having it preinstalled.

The perception is that if it's pre installed, then it is designed for the device.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

these people need permission from a massive corporation calling it something other than Linux so they can dodge the cognitive dissonance of hating Linux

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Or rather, there's someone who isn't going away anytime soon and someone who you can go to if their shit screws up, someone with an actual address and support number, and it's not just a Github issue tracker page that hasn't been seen by the owner in months.

Some people want that peace of mind. Some people aren't built to scour the internet for hours to maybe find solutions to their problems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

..do people really do that with Microsoft, or do they just throw the errant device in a closet and get a new one at best buy?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago

Plz gaben I want steamOS official so bad ;-;

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

I would love them to partner with like micorcenter and have systems that are completely supported like an apple store.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

PC gamers moving to console? What's next the existing consoles adopting keyboard+mouse?..

There is no downside to this

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

Consoles have accepted keyboard+mouse for years now! Microsoft started with the Xbox one and Sony started with the PS3; Though there were select games for generations prior that supported k+m through their own implentations