Seriously - this will be the time when the rest of the world will find out whether they can win against Russia without ( or against ) US support, since we elected Putin's cock holster a few weeks ago.
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Against the US? No. Unequivocally not happening, no. Against just Russia? Pick three EU nations at random and their combined might would exceed Russia’s with only moderate effort. The EU has been fairly lackadaisical about putting in the effort, which is the main obstacle.
Yeah this war has revealed just how strong Russia is not. They thought they would take Kiev in 3 days and have still not done so after 3 years. Ukraine + Syrian Rebels = too much for them, let alone 3 European nations.
Russia can just put in the minimum effort for a long time
That’s what they are trying to do, but they are spending 33% of their federal budget on it. For comparison, the US spends 13% of federal budget on its defense department.
Russia has also lost anywhere between 100k and 600k soldiers’ lives. At the low end it is already triple their total losses from their engagements in Chechnya and Afghanistan combined. At the high end, estimates are that 2% of the entire Russian adult male population has now been killed or wounded in this war. For comparison, America lost less than 60k soldiers in the entire Vietnam War.
Ukraine is an extremely attractive prize for Russia but how long can they sustain these losses, and the crippling sanctions, to attain some prize? Not forever.
Of course we can always come back and say that Ukraine has lost a similar amount and can afford it less. But Ukraine is fighting for their very existence so they can “afford” any amount.
Personally I think that they will hold out as long as western arms support does. That’s really the only thing on the Ukrainian side that could falter. And that’s probably what Russians are holding out for. Trump will likely fold and I don’t think Russia will settle for its current gains when that happens. Either they will continue hostilities as they are, make some breakthrough gains and then settle, or settle now and come back in 2 years to stir shit again. Either way, with their currency on fire and their war effort stagnating,Trump is Russia’s great hope right now.
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The EU as a whole has donated more to Ukraine than the US.
The main problem is that while the EU donations where to keep Ukraine economy afloat, a lot of the US ones were military aid, so Ukraine cannot do without either.
Against the US? No. Unequivocally not happening, no.
Solo EU vs. solo US would lead to a stalemate, both sides quickly realising that the other party is on the other side of the Atlantic and that noone has a counter against stealth subs, which the US would be able to develop before the EU has time to build a non-negligible amount of aircraft carriers. Nukes won't be an issue both sides have enough second-strike capabilities to turn the other side to glass, unless the US gets a foothold in France at which point the French would first strike. So don't do that, especially when the stalemate is so comfortably an ocean wide.
Pick three EU nations at random and their combined might would exceed Russia’s with only moderate effort.
Luxembourg, Malta, Cyprus.
...I mean generally speaking you're right but technically no.
I said “at random” for a reason. The likelihood of choosing all three of the least preparable nations is 1/1000. I don’t believe you chose randomly, and therefore would like to indicate that your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
Lithuania Latvia Estonia.
And your father smells even more of elderberries in the morning than the evening
Ye cool. The point is you think a random function will choose Germany, France, Spain, Poland or Italy. When there is 27 countries in the EU, most of them utterly unprepared for war.
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But I could have chosen randomly, your post might be read by a billion people each rolling their own set of independent dice, and that's why you don't leave engineering to theorists.
...and it's the three least populous nations, btw. Together about 2m people. About the average of Lithuania and Slovenia, a bit more than a tenth of Romania, or about 0.45% of the whole of the EU.
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Europe has many stealth subs, I mean scary stealth, like pop up undetected in the middle of a US carrier group and "sink" a US carrier stealthy, several aircraft carriers, and four or five of the world's top 10 arms exporter countries.
Missiles, Eurofighters, Rafales, Gripens, F35s, nukes, last gen frigates and destroyers...
Overwhelmingly superior in tech, generation, and number to what Russia has and Ukraine is being given. Also a tech and and manufacturing might vastly superior. Ukraine is not Nato. Even without the US, Europe would wipe the floor with Russia, and Putin knows.
That said, if combined with the US would really make it a special operation.
Also remeber that the USSR was able to defeat Hitler because of Allied material, especially US through Lend-lease.
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This is the breadbasket and ICBM manufacturing part of the USSR. Its importance to the lives of everyone, yes EVERYONE on earth that this place be freed from Russian control cannot be overstated.
We just let the orange guy win again please EU act like rational adults
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Yeah but we want cheaper groceries now, so we're all just going to elect fascists instead.
Sorry Aotus already said bringing down prices is going to be hard.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-now-bringing-grocery-prices-promised-hard/story?id=116763207
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Theres already war on fucking european cities streets because ukraine is europe. This is the exact giveaway that they dont support ukraine at all and just want to protect their asses. While i do think ukraine is an important buffer state i also think that the 40 million people living there(and the other 90 or something million people who live in european states bordering russia) have their own lives and rights and should be respected.
Putin is already targeting Europe. Not that we're doing anything much about it.
Arms Manufacturers:
Germans: "idk bro, maybe the Russians are nice now? Let's let them in"
High time to give Nord Stream 3 a chance
The global south colonies are starting to break free. Quick invest a trillion in weapons!
EU not giving Ukraine their modern weapons or letting them into NATO and then wondering how it lost to Russia.
I always ~~hate~~ love to see the selective fearmongering the "anti-war" faction engages in. Russia keeping going after overtaking Ukraine and starting wars with other european nations? Fearmongering! Russia glassing the world with nukes if they can't get Ukraine? Credible threat!
They are enemy psy op actors, whether they know it or not
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