All the lefties I know were excited about rojava/ aanes. I've never met a lefty in real life that was pro assad, not saying they don't exist, but like: fuck em, assad sucked.
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I think the "left" they are talking about are more like tankies or at least socialists who lean towards authoritarianism.
I know some people in my local DSA who uncritically support the idea that Russia is incapable of imperialism and who probably would have supported Assad because they were an ally of Russia.
I know this probably comes across as "no true Scotsman", but I have a really hard time believing anyone who legitimately holds those views can also be socialist
It doesn't for me, I personally think authoritarianism is a contradiction of "leftist" values.
It's like "cultural feminism" which espouses the supremacy of women over men - if you aren't advocating for the equality of the sexes, you aren't really a feminist. :-/
I mean, I'm not disagreeing, that's what I'm saying I trouble believing, a "socialist" authoritarian.
And like you, I don't really get how leftist values are remotely compatible with authoritarianism.
A common starting place for trying to understand it would be reading: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
I'm not convinced by his argument, but it's commonly pointed to and worth being familiar with.
Either way, "left communism" ftw.
Yeah, fuck 'em. This poor fellow is from Twitter, and unfortunately, there are definitely a bunch of brainrotted self-proclaimed 'leftists' there mourning Assad's fall and calling Rojava a CIA plot even now.
I hope Rojava prevails and perseveres.
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What leftist is out there supporting Assad?
Those who think "left" is whatever Russia does
I call it geopolitical jetlag
There are more than a few on lemmy.ml, of course.
Assad is a friend of Russia and enemy of the West. Therefore tankies support Assad.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism
Campism is the belief that the world is divided into large, competing political groups of countries ("camps") and that people with left-wing politics should support one camp over the other camps.[1] Unlike nationalists, campists do not support any countries for reasons such as ethnicity or national identity. Instead, campists support their camp for ideological reasons, because they believe their camp promotes their ideology, such as socialism or anti-imperialism.
TIL, thank you!
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I tried but couldnt parse this post. Idk whos side this guy is on and i dont know whos side he thinks im on. Very confusing lol.
"Assad falling is good, because Assad is a dictator. The left should be against dictators, yet many on Twitter proclaimed that supporting the dictator was Good Leftism, Actually.
Syrians and Ukrainians should be supported by the left. Just because Assad and Russia are enemies of the capitalist West doesn't mean that they should get a free pass from the left to oppress Syrians and Ukrainians.
Palestinians should be supported by Americans. Just because Israel is a nominal ally of the US doesn't mean that they should get a free pass from Americans to oppress Palestinians.
Reject tribalism. Embrace moral consistency."
Ahh i get it. But ive never heard a single person say assad was good for the left. Probably the tankies and the us left.
The tankie communities are definitely seeing the fall of Assad as a very bad thing. I was surprised at first, but then not surprised that they'd be supportive of dictator that aligns with Russia.
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"yet many on Twitter proclaimed that supporting the dictator was Good Leftism"
Well this is news.
What's there to say. Twitter's a shithole.
Unfortunately, many people still use it to communicate and organize, some of whom do not belong in said shithole.
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Given HTS historical ties to exteemist groups like Al Qaeda I do hope this is a good thing for all Syrians. Time will tell.
The best thing they could do is break Syria apart based on ethnic lines, and create a federated alliance. They could also do the anarchic strategy, especially since the rest of the world is in chaos. Relying less on industry might be an advantage.
Undoing the vestiges of colonialism is bloody work, but the current system of dictatorship/oil-cartel is hardly sunshine and roses for the locals.
I truly hope the people living there get to decide their future and the Kurds carve out a real state, not just autonomous zones that Turkey bombs at will. The way we abandoned them was disgusting after they led the fight on the ground against IS/Daesh.
Sadly though I don't think whoever grabs power will be eager to give up land and resources to competing factions. Hoping it doesn't end up this way, but I think ethnic conflict is going to be more likely than cooperation.
Idk that sounds a lot like just creating more regional division. At the end of the day they are all Syrian, regardless of religion or ethnicity. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say your solution won't work or is a bad idea, just a bit doubtful.
Most middle eastern borders were drawn by imperialist powers in an effort to cause division. They need to throw those borders out to avoid constant war.
I mean sure, but redrawing them based on ethnic backgrounds isn't the way to go either.
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Is this X implying that Zelensky oppressing the Ukrainian people?
*tweet
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