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Summary

College enrollment among 18-year-old freshmen fell 5% this fall, with declines most severe at public and private non-profit four-year colleges.

Experts attribute the drop to factors including declining birth rates, high tuition costs, FAFSA delays, and uncertainty over student loan relief after Supreme Court rulings against forgiveness plans.

Economic pressures, such as the need to work, also deter students.

Despite declining enrollment, applications have risen, particularly among low- and middle-income students, underscoring interest in higher education. Experts urge addressing affordability and accessibility to reverse this trend.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I grew up being repeatedly told that college is absolutely necessary to get a good job and a secure future. And because you've been told it's necessary, they can get away with such a sharp increase in tuition costs. What are you gonna do, not go? Nah, you're gonna sign on the dotted line and put yourself into debt like all the adults told you to.

I've got a degree in a good field that's supposed to pay well. But the job market is such a mess that I never actually got my foot in the door - everything that claims to be entry level asks for five years of experience in a piece of software that has only existed for two years.

College used to be an investment, now it feels more like a gamble.

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[–] ApollosArrow 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

A thing that upset me when I went to college (15ys ago) was all the fluff electives I had to take. More than half of my classes were not associated with my major. I was looking into getting a masters a few years ago and one of the requirements was American History, again! I learned all of American history in elementary school, and all of it again in middle school, and all of it again in high school and again for my bachelors and I need to do it again for a Masters? Add along more sciences and math classes for an art related major. While I understand in building well rounded students, a lot of it seemed like it was meant to just beef up the number of classes I needed to pay for.

The number of electives needed was also enough where you only had two options.

  1. Keep your part time job and take additional winter, summer or night clases and pay extra to get them in.
  2. Have no job and fill your whole schedule with classes (each class was 3hrs long)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

As someone who has a STEM degree and works in a STEM field, I have the exact opposite opinion. I did not know my major for ~2 years (though I was leaning in a direction), so I took a number of courses that I otherwise would not have needed. And I am SO FUCKING GLAD that I did as I now have an actual well-rounded education. I truly don't even think you are aware of what you've missed out on.

Interacting with engineers on a daily basis, it is immediately obvious to me just how damaging it is to silo education so much. These people are incapable of thinking critically about anything outside their very specific area of expertise.

Good luck trying to discuss politics with an engineer.

I now have additional student loan debt that I would not have otherwise had. But it was 100% worth it. The most useful courses that I took were completely unrelated to the degree I ended up getting.

[–] Duamerthrax 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How much do those extra classes cost and why is it the responsibility of the a job certificate program to have those? Those extra classes could be taken at your leisure after you have a job.

Good luck trying to discuss politics with an engineer.

I have never had a problem finding a stem major with political opinions. Most far more radical then what you'd be comfortable.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

What you're describing sounds like a liberal arts school. That's kind of the point, at least for undergrad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Electives are pretty commonplace and definitely not restricted to liberal arts, even for STEM undergrads.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Electives requirements for a masters is bonkers. I was trying to do one in ed and one school I talked to was really picky about what they'd give me credit for (like I needed a Shakespeare class and my undergrad tragedy class didn't count even though we read a bunch of Shakespeare in it). After everything they said I'd basically need 3 years for it. I said thanks but no thanks and went and found a school with a 1 year masters program haha

[–] ApollosArrow 3 points 3 days ago

It’s a bit ridiculous. I think many majors could probably be done in 25-50% less time. You doing it in 1yr vs 3yr is a good example of it.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wonder if it has to do with all the “college bad. Why go to college for $100k for a $40k job…” social media trends and the “get rich on social media” trend, along with the fact that college can be really expensive.

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[–] coolkicks 14 points 4 days ago (5 children)

As an employer who hires folks in the data science field, I’ve become more disappointed in recent college graduate job-readiness every year for the last decade. At this point I’d prefer a resume to say “watched 100 hours of YouTube videos about data science” over a masters in the field.

And these poor people have 100k in student loan debt with no marketable job skills and are competing against 10s of thousands of other recent grads with no marketable job skills and college has created a lose-lose environment.

No wonder enrollment is dropping, the cost of the education is absolutely not worth it and people are starting to see it.

[–] PriorityMotif 4 points 3 days ago

Well yeah, all the professors have offloaded everything into online learning systems and all of the answers to everything are available online at sites like chegg, then there's chatgpt now. Nobody is learning anything in college, except how to cheat effectively.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

If I were a young person considering whether to get a degree, I'd think really hard about whether it's worth selling myself into what is essentially indentured servitude for increasingly long odds of landing a "good" job in a neo-feudal hellscape ravaged by climate change.

[–] Duamerthrax 4 points 3 days ago

Is that in line with fewer potential students being available? The last millennials are done with school now and the generation replacing them aren't as numerous.

[–] AA5B 1 points 2 days ago

I so hope this is true. We have an extremely anxious teenager waiting for his early decision results expected out this week. I hope for every advantage he can get

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