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[–] PugJesus 129 points 1 month ago (6 children)

God, I love how seriously Americans take their civic duty, you can tell by the effort they put into researching the candidates they intend to put in the most powerful positions in the country.

[–] FlyingSquid 47 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I don't get it either. I always try to read up on things. Sometimes there's not enough info on candidates in a local race for me to know who to vote for and so I abstain. Other than that, I always vote for the candidate I think is going to do the least harm. They didn't do their due diligence to even figure that out.

[–] PugJesus 45 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I remember in 2004, as a kid, my mother (very conservative at the time) teaching me to go through OnTheIssues with the presidential race coming up and examining the policies of each candidate, and to consider whether I agreed with each individual stance in making an overall opinion, not just to presume which one was good and bad by political allegiance.

She taught me good citizenship. Many people aren't so lucky - or didn't take the lessons to heart.

[–] FlyingSquid 32 points 1 month ago

Ah you young whippersnapper! When I turned 18 in 1995, the best way to find out about local candidates was a pamphlet you could get at the library for free (and probably elsewhere too) put out by the League of Women Voters. Sadly, there were always lots of pamphlets not taken.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

People like us are the abysmally small minority.

The average adult American has the reading comprehension level of a 5th grader.

Less than 10% (possibly less than 5%) of adult Americans are capable of objectively reading multiple stories about the same topic in different newspapers and being able to figure out which bits of info are objective, which parts are editorialized, what information is left out... and why different sources include or disclude those elements.

Turns out if you destroy public education, you get idiots, and idiots are very easy to mislead, responding almost entirely to pathos, misjudge ethos, and actually become angry when presented with logos.

We are a largely, functionally illiterate society.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the social media algorithms, man. Folks think that what they're being fed is reality, so they never double check the information being given to them.

Full disclosure, I'm just as guilty. For months I had built up this whole narrative about private equity buying up all the houses and causing the current housing crisis. Apparently, private equity only accounts for like 10% of home ownership, and the reality is that we just don't build enough housing. The issue is the same (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised to find out that private equity is still at the heart of it somehow), but I allowed the algorithm to show me inaccurate info, and I bought it—hook, line, and sinker.

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[–] nifty 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It’s mostly a vibes based democracy

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

From personal experience, when you're working 2 jobs and raising 3 kids and spend every waking moment worried you can't pay your bills or that you suck as a parent because you're not around enough, taking time to research candidates feels impossible. Which is right where some like to keep us.

I'm in a better place now and have the time to do the work to make better decisions, but it still feels like an uphill battle against the multitude of the uninformed.

[–] rustydomino 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I see what you’re saying but it’s also kind of an excuse. It’s not that hard to find out, for instance in this case, where candidates stand on LGBTQ issues or on education.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

The place I was in at the time, it was a struggle to convince myself that I should shower more than once a week and not cry over how I was going to find the money to buy my kids socks. When life is that stressful and depressing, it's hard to see and to take on more issues than what you're already trying to overcome on a day to day basis.

Again, I used to think that people in power couldn't be that evil, but now moving past that place I can see how keeping people down, under pressure, and uneducated really does benefit certain groups.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Which makes it even more concerning that people who apparently didn't even have time to fall in a conspiratorial rabbit hole don't manage to distinguish between a not so great candidate and a raging lunatic.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If it weren't so sad, it would be almost funny.

So many people are waking up to the fact that... Most people are functionally illiterate children with no understanding of the world they live in.

The easiest way I have to explain it:

You use your phone every day. You know how to use it, menus in and out, all the different programs and their uses. But if I were to pop open the cover and take one single piece out, you would never know, and you would never be able to use it again. Without someone else, you have absolutely no clue how to go about fixing it. You can push it's buttons all day, but when it comes down to how it functions at the basic levels, you are clueless.

So am I, by the way. I don't have any reason to know how to build or program a phone. Or computer. I can push their buttons all day though! Even hidden buttons. But if everyone else on the planet disappeared tonight, I would effectively be living in the 1500s, as that's about where my technical understanding of things ends. (scavenging for replacement electronics notwithstanding, once something electronic breaks, it's gone since I can't exactly run a semiconductor factory by myself, or the mines to get the materials)

My point is, most people only know how to "push the buttons" of the world. They have very surface-level understandingsof it. But when it comes down to it, they don't understand how the internals actually function.

Sorry if this rambled a bit, I hit the bowl as soon as I got home from work.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's absolutely true, but I can't get how people didn't watch or listen to the Toupee for even a couple seconds and not instantly realize he's full of more shit than an outhouse.

[–] samus12345 16 points 1 month ago

Because they're stupid too and he speaks at a third grade level way they understand.

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[–] Mobilityfuture 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is a funny take I haven’t heard. Maybe it’s a bit true.

People I talk to seem to have little understanding of Trump policies. Like it’s mostly projection.

One person I spoke to with a Trump pin said these two statements: “I don’t like where the country is heading everything is expensive. The government spends too much money”… “yeah we got to support Ukraine, Russia would not have invaded if Trump was president. Russia needs to loose and go home so we can end the war”

… like okay? And Trump will help any of this how, as a lap dog to Putin who blew up the budget and raised taxes on those making less than $500k?

These people vote for people who tell them what they want to hear and project the rest… you know morons.

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[–] Tayb 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a single person you'd be pretty good for the rest of your (still probably short) life. But honestly, I think ascribing button pushing to some of these people is a stretch. They know the particular buttons to open their social media, or maybe even access their banking, but any mention of settings and you get a blank look. I see that with every generation now, working in IT. It used to just be the boomers, but tech knowledge seems to have degraded over the years.

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[–] okwhateverdude 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry if this rambled a bit, I hit the bowl as soon as I got home from work.

Still have Keiko trapped in the transporter buffer, I see.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

And MY fucking loved ones. And lots of other people's fucking loved ones.

My anger grows each and every day. I don't know how I'm going to make it through what's coming either from a mental health perspective or from a keeping my family safe perspective.

YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! AH, DAMN YOU! GOD! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

[–] FlyingSquid 31 points 1 month ago

Oh believe me, I agree. But they weren't even motivated by their own best self-interests. It's voting for the leopard face eating party on a scale I didn't think was even possible.

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[–] NatakuNox 64 points 1 month ago
[–] BonesOfTheMoon 53 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Queer people voting for conservative politicians will never cease to amaze me. I discovered a queer acquaintance who I had friended on Instagram was following Trump, Pierre Polievre, and that insane Randy Hillier, which shocked me. Why would you do that? They hate queer people.

[–] roguetrick 21 points 1 month ago

Bootlickers transcend identity politics. They're just looking for a boot.

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 month ago

And they make no secret of it!

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

At lunch yesterday, I overheard two women talking about how they should totally be hired for the new department of government efficiency, and how they have a lot of great ideas to offer from their years of experience in federal jobs.

[–] someguy3 15 points 1 month ago

"You should cut my job."

Granted.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I was expressing election stress to someone over Discord and they told me they didn't want to talk about the election (which is fine in itself) because "Joe and Trump are both bad." 💀 I'm like... Do you not even know how the candidates are? I didn't want to push the topic because they didn't want to talk about it, but I'm sure the answer would've annoyed me.

[–] FlyingSquid 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No. They really don't. I was getting some coffee at a drive-up place where they always leave the window open after they take your money, so you can hear them talking. This was maybe a month before the election. One of the workers thought Trump was still the president. They had to tell her who Joe Biden is.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How are people that disconnected, how do you not hear who the president is even just by accident?

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I honestly do not know. I was floored.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Has anyone been verifying that these kinds of posts lately are real? Certainly some trump voters are already having buyer's remorse, but these posts can just as easily be made up by people who want to play off our emotions and manufacturing further outrage and division. Just saying.

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[–] DarkCloud 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

These are the people who vote on vibes and emotions, it's important candidates and politics don't discount them because they're the main voter block.

They've been reacting to the perceived moralist shaming of WOKE since 2014, and the right have kept that perception around whilst mocking it, being unPC, and joking around to show they're "cool guys".

So when Kamala makes a face when Trump says something about eating cats, the left think he's an idiot whilst emotional voters think he's play a game, joking and she's being rude/shaming.

Or when he dresses like a garbage man, and the left calls them stupid for enjoying it, that pushes emotional voters towards voting for him, and away from voting for her/them.

Dems lost sight of the emotional game/narrative being played. So he played the fun guy, they played the shaming upright moralists who can't take jokes and want to be serious or angry all the time (often bejng baited into this role).

Made for an easy choice for emotional voters. It was not rational (hence the regret). But it's what got the Republicans into office.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Ye gods, no wonder it's so easy to grift people. They've got the savvy of a toddler.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

stupid and ignorant people are going to be the death of our species. And if that happens, we fucking deserve it.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (8 children)

personally, this cycle the best thing i have under my belt is karma.

I hope republicans/conservatives have to learn their lesson the hard way around.

[–] clutchtwopointzero 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Narrator: unfortunately, they won't as they are unable to correlate their struggles and hardships with their choices. This is another evidence of the planned degradation of education in the USA that creates a large number of uneducated voters who can be manipulated for votes

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hope so, but given that we already know drumph will do a terrible job from.... IDK, four years ago?

..... I think that it's likely that this lesson will ever be learned.

In the most simplest, all I want is for people to look at the platforms and what each party wants to achieve before putting a mark beside their name at the voting booth. That's it.

If you can, with good conscience, vote for someone, knowing what they want to do for the people, then you deserve whatever they do if they win. If you vote without knowing what their plan is, that doesn't absolve you, in fact, you're probably more guilty than if you knew what you were voting for.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How does she figure the president isn't allowed to do something? Especially in today's political climate?

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 1 month ago

Especially when he literally said he's going to be a dictator.

And it's funny, because at the same time they already think the president can do whatever he wants since they think he can control gas and grocery prices.

[–] someguy3 8 points 1 month ago

Read DOE as department of energy and was confused.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

You could post this in the leopards ate my face community. Wonderful fit for that.

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