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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (22 children)

tuesday was the last hope. we are living the worst-case scenario and it's not going to get better. figure out what you need to do to get out of the country NOW. you have a little less than 2 months

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not everyone will have the resources to do so. Don't throw these people to the wolves.

In order to help everyone: Start mutual aid networks. Help your siblings and build dual power from the ground up.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

agreed. if you can't leave, then you really need to start organizing. covertly

[–] TheDoozer 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am having this conversation with my wife. I'm 16 years into a military career (so 4 years from retirement), and she was talking about moving to Canada. So for a thought exercise, I looked it up, and with my skill set it would be pretty doable.

But I reminded her that we aren't the ones in danger. A cis-het white family of natively-born Americans in the military with the economic stability to fly to Canada on a moments notice for an abortion (she was worried about our daughter) is not in particular danger. But us leaving means we can't fight against this, and makes it worse for those who can't just leave.

We'll see how it is in 2029 when I'm due to retire, if the country can pull its head out of its ass or if Project 2025 goes full swing followed by no legitimate election. But for now, we'll stay and push back.

[–] kshade 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Genuine question: AFAIK the Republicans would like to use the US Military against its own people, as well as disband institutions like the FBI. What would you do if they actually went ahead with that?

[–] TheDoozer 6 points 1 month ago

I am not in the part of the military they would send for that. But if it were to happen in general? I am not going to pretend to know what I would do until the event actually came up.

Incidentally, when I joined the branch I did, one of the recruiters asked me why I specifically wanted the Coast Guard. I told him if I decide to join something, and doing that put me in a position where I had to do something morally reprehensible to survive (like shoot a 12-year-old protecting his home in some far off country), the fact I had no choice in the moment would be irrelevant, as my choices put me in that position. There's nothing morally ambiguous about saving a person from drowning. (Side note, he thought that was a terrible reason, and I think that guy can fuck himself). So not being put in a position to be used against my own country can be added to that as well (except enforcing boating safety, PUT A LIFE JACKET ON YOUR KID GODDAMMIT).

Oh, and all that was before I learned about the migrant and drug interdiction missions in the Coast Guard, so now I just try to avoid Florida and Southern California for where I get stationed.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

You're right that leaving is your best bet. That isn't a reality for millions of queer people, however. Leaving isn't always feasible, or many of the queer people still in deep red states would already be gone.

It's time for us to make moves to prepare ourselves to contend with this administration and political agenda. Networks need to be made, connections between suppliers of DIY hormones and communities at risk of losing Healthcare need to be established.

As much as we need to help people get out, we also need to confront the fact that not everyone can, and this is the reality we live in now. I'm just saying, "Get out while you still can" isn't enough. We need to ready ourselves for a much more long-term fight against this system. Everyone who can should be getting involved.

[–] Benjaben 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Disagree, the most vulnerable who can't leave need our help. Stay.

[–] MintyFresh 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i mean.. I don't want us. can you blame them?

[–] samus12345 3 points 1 month ago

If it's someone who wants to leave, they're obviously not part of the shitheads that voted in fascism.

[–] Mirshe 9 points 1 month ago

Also, the US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to. Canada, most of the EU, and much the Western world at large will really only let you immigrate permanently if you have an ancestral claim that you can directly prove, or if you have certain degrees or skills.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pick countries that are geographically distant from maga land.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Australia could use more Greens/Labor voters. Please come dilute the LibNat vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The same issue still arises, that the people who need to immigrate most, cannot afford to and won't be allowed into our country. If you want to change that, get your arse down to your local MPs office and push for asylum status for trans americans.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm going to stick around and fight like hell

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What does fighting like hell consist of?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Honestly, just existing is a part of the fight. If people know a queer person personally and see that they're human too just like them then they're a lot less likely to dehumanize them and are more likely to help protect and fight for them. It's easy to dehumanize and be cruel to a group that you've never interacted with. But if it's your neighbor, friend, or colleague then it's no longer just some abstract concept.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I love and live by this quote at the end of Paris is Burning. by Dorian Corey, one of the founding Mothers of ballroom.

It's a 1 min clip worth hearing her say it, but for those who can't watch:

Everybody wants to make an impression, some mark upon the world. And then you think, you left a mark on the world if you just get through it and a few people remember your name. You don't have to bend the whole world. I think it's better just to enjoy it. Pay your dues, and just enjoy it. If you shoot an arrow and it goes real high, hooray for you.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He tried hiding from it to get the "latinos for trump" vote.

[–] jaybone 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well he got it, so I hope they’re happy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This week they are

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If i wasn't an ADHD high school student struggling with the last grade and living with my parents, i'd have spun up at least a Tor node, i know people will need privacy more than ever.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Point out that other people are in charge, not him, and he will torpedo it. His ego will not tolerate people saying he's a puppet.

[–] DarkCloud 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They enjoy joking about it because they know it scares people.

Trump has his own think tank to develop policies called The America First Policy Institute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Policy_Institute

Their transition plan is described as a rival to Project 2025, it's hard to say which is the true plan. But America First is chaired by Linda McMahon, who has know Trump a very long time.

[–] Zirconium 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes some of them are literally just trolling just to make the people they hate more scared (see Matt Walsh).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago
[–] rickdg 4 points 1 month ago

They will, but this is just twitter troll sewage.

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