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In light of the recent election, it’s clear that the Democratic Party needs a significant leftward shift to better address the needs and concerns of the American people. The party’s centrist approach is increasingly out of touch, limiting its ability to appeal to a broader base and especially to young voters, who are looking for bold and transformative policies. The fact that young men became a substantial part of the conservative voting bloc should be a wake-up call—it’s essential that the Democratic Party broadens its appeal by offering real solutions that resonate with this demographic.

Furthermore, one major missed opportunity was the decision to forgo primaries, which could have brought new energy and ideas to the ticket. Joe Biden’s choice to run for a second term, despite earlier implications of a one-term presidency, may have ultimately contributed to the loss by undermining trust in his promises. Had the party explored alternative candidates in a primary process, the outcome could have been vastly different. It is now imperative for the Working Families Party and the Progressive Caucus to push for a stronger, unapologetically progressive agenda within the Democratic Party. The time for centrist compromises has passed, as evidenced by setbacks dating back to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss, the persistently low approval ratings for Biden since 2022, and Kamala Harris’s recent campaign, which left many progressives feeling alienated. To regain momentum and genuinely connect with the electorate, a clear departure from moderate politics is essential.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This has been the rallying call from progressives for decades, they keep sliding right. At what point do we have to consider that entryism into the Dems just doesn't work? The party structure is designed to entrench establishment figures that are great at fundraising from wealthy Capitalists.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

DNC komissars sold out to the oligarchs long time ago... 2016 and 2020 they cucked out Bernie.

They are not getting votes out of me until Bernie type is on the ticket... nothing else. I can vote 3p for rest of myself it aint like voting maters under current regime where some no name clowns pick your a candidated sanctioned by oligarchs...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Correct, your sentiment is a common one. Marxism is regularly vindicated because it remains correct, try as progressives might to avoid its conclusions that revolution is necessary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You aint got to be a Marxist to see this shit... although his work is foundational for any functioning adult imho

Marx is so good he still makes the ruling class sweat at night, must have really hit the spot 🐸

It seems they actually based the modern regime architecture on his writings tbh

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

You don't have to be a Marxist to notice it, but his writings and the writings of Marxists that succeed him are critical for putting everything into context.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

No. Do a Bernie.

An independent can't win the presidency but independents absolutely can become state senators, state house reps or federal senators.

If you're a politician who manages to win your local democratic primary run as an independent with no one with the (D) label... if no one is wearing the label you'll outperform wearing it yourself.

You can affix yourself to a more niche party like Democratic Socialists of America or the Working Families Party but keep that (I).

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

The DNC can't be reformed. They need to wholesale clean house and morph into something else, or they're not even contenders.

The argument could be made that they haven't been contenders for at least 12 years. The Party heads LIKE this dynamic; it makes them oodles of cash.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

This was tried in 1968. It failed, and the Democratic Party instituted superdelegates to prevent it from ever having a chance at being successful again. You can't vote your way out of capitalism.

[–] FlowVoid 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'll only believe a leftist could win an election for president AFTER a leftist wins an election for governor.

[–] theunknownmuncher 10 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

Was Senator good enough or nah?

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[–] Branch_Ranch 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, start locally and regionally then go up to nationally. This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

not even sanders who is pretty tame as far as leftism go is sabotaged and not allowed to even compete.

the system itself is broken.

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[–] HurlingDurling 14 points 2 weeks ago

It was time back in 2016 with Bernie, yet here we are now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

ITT: folks who still think there will be free and fair elections in the US ever again

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[–] Kethal 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (49 children)

The funnny thing about elections is that politicians do the things people vote for. Literally no one gives a shit about people who don't vote. Everyone who sat out and couldn't even be arsed to vote third party just helped move the country to the right. Everyone who sits at home during primaries let's the rest of the country have its way.

Democrats don't implement the things that you want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter. Republicans don't implement the things you that want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter.

"Waah, waah, there's only two parties." More than half the country doesn't vote. That's enough to elect a third party candidate. Instead millions of idiots sat at home complaining that they can't get everything they want today, and moving the needle is too much work.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Politicians do the things people ~~vote~~ donate for.

After that, they say things they think the people want to hear.

And blameing the public over not voting for somone they don't want to vote for, seems backwards. Politicians aren't entitled to any votes. They need to earn it.

[–] Kethal 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What horseshit. They didn't write in any candidate, like there was no one in the whole world they could think of that they want as president.

Do you think there's one ballot in this whole country that has a single question on it - like there was nothing out there worth voting on other than the presidential race?

Saying there's nothing to vote for is an excuse to be lazy. If you couldn't find one single thing on your ballot to vote for in this election, then you're never going to vote, for any reason. Everyone knows it, and therefore no one cares what nonvoters say. So sit here and do what you do best, blow hard on the Internet. You can post your little commets, that no one will read or care about, because at the end of the day they know no matter what they do or say, you won't go to the polls to stop them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Saying there's nothing to vote for is an excuse to be lazy.

Who said there's nothing to vote for?

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[–] randon31415 7 points 2 weeks ago

It's time the democrats have a primary where the winner isn't preordained. Even with Obama, Hillary was "preordained" the winner in 2008, only to have everyone be surprised that an electable candidate got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton in '92, where the "preordained" candidate dropped out (ironically due to an affair) and Bill Clinton took his place. Come to think of it, that is how Obama got his senate seat. Someone cheated on 7 of 9 and suddenly Illinois has a black senator.

Anyways, just let us vote.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds good.. First thing to do is make sure everyone votes in every primary and election.

No one GAF what you think unless you vote.

But somehow people think sitting out a vote for the 30th time in a row means the Democrats will finally listen to them...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is time to open your eyes to the reality and stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The democrats aren't there to serve you. They are there to provide an illusion of choice and to help shift the Overton window to the right.

You will never push them to the left because being on the left is antithetical to their purpose and existence.

If this election hasn't woken you up, what the fuck will?

[–] Intergalactic 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

What other choice is there? Be realistic.

We are unfortunately a two-party state, a third party has no chance.

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