It's time we vote for the independent or green party. We had 3 elections with the DNC making terrible decisions.
this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2024
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Four years of fascism won't be enough to get Dems to vote Green, sadly.
This was tried in 1968. It failed, and the Democratic Party instituted superdelegates to prevent it from ever having a chance at being successful again. You can't vote your way out of capitalism.
It's time the democrats have a primary where the winner isn't preordained. Even with Obama, Hillary was "preordained" the winner in 2008, only to have everyone be surprised that an electable candidate got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton in '92, where the "preordained" candidate dropped out (ironically due to an affair) and Bill Clinton took his place. Come to think of it, that is how Obama got his senate seat. Someone cheated on 7 of 9 and suddenly Illinois has a black senator.
Anyways, just let us vote.
It was time back in 2016 with Bernie, yet here we are now.
Sounds good.. First thing to do is make sure everyone votes in every primary and election.
No one GAF what you think unless you vote.
But somehow people think sitting out a vote for the 30th time in a row means the Democrats will finally listen to them...
ITT: folks who still think there will be free and fair elections in the US ever again
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It is time to open your eyes to the reality and stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
The democrats aren't there to serve you. They are there to provide an illusion of choice and to help shift the Overton window to the right.
You will never push them to the left because being on the left is antithetical to their purpose and existence.
If this election hasn't woken you up, what the fuck will?
What other choice is there? Be realistic.
We are unfortunately a two-party state, a third party has no chance.
Lol, I need to be realistic? You've got a freshly elected open and proud fascist as president, and an "opposition" that did nothing to stop him since they both serve the same people (hint: it isn't you), and you still look at the two party system as if it's some immovable paragon of humane society (when in reality it's a human made construct designed by those in power to maintain it, and can and should be torn down), and I need to be realistic??? 😂🤯
Here, feel free to challenge your bias and take your own advice, though I won't be holding my breath:
https://itsgoingdown.org/dont-doom-scroll-organize-how-to-get-active-in-the-current-terrain/
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
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This has been the rallying call from progressives for decades, they keep sliding right. At what point do we have to consider that entryism into the Dems just doesn't work? The party structure is designed to entrench establishment figures that are great at fundraising from wealthy Capitalists.
DNC komissars sold out to the oligarchs long time ago... 2016 and 2020 they cucked out Bernie.
They are not getting votes out of me until Bernie type is on the ticket... nothing else. I can vote 3p for rest of myself it aint like voting maters under current regime where some no name clowns pick your a candidated sanctioned by oligarchs...
Correct, your sentiment is a common one. Marxism is regularly vindicated because it remains correct, try as progressives might to avoid its conclusions that revolution is necessary.
You aint got to be a Marxist to see this shit... although his work is foundational for any functioning adult imho
Marx is so good he still makes the ruling class sweat at night, must have really hit the spot 🐸
It seems they actually based the modern regime architecture on his writings tbh
You don't have to be a Marxist to notice it, but his writings and the writings of Marxists that succeed him are critical for putting everything into context.
No. Do a Bernie.
An independent can't win the presidency but independents absolutely can become state senators, state house reps or federal senators.
If you're a politician who manages to win your local democratic primary run as an independent with no one with the (D) label... if no one is wearing the label you'll outperform wearing it yourself.
You can affix yourself to a more niche party like Democratic Socialists of America or the Working Families Party but keep that (I).
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I'll only believe a leftist could win an election for president AFTER a leftist wins an election for governor.
Does FDR count?
If FDR counts then so does Biden
not even sanders who is pretty tame as far as leftism go is sabotaged and not allowed to even compete.
the system itself is broken.
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The funnny thing about elections is that politicians do the things people vote for. Literally no one gives a shit about people who don't vote. Everyone who sat out and couldn't even be arsed to vote third party just helped move the country to the right. Everyone who sits at home during primaries let's the rest of the country have its way.
Democrats don't implement the things that you want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter. Republicans don't implement the things you that want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter.
"Waah, waah, there's only two parties." More than half the country doesn't vote. That's enough to elect a third party candidate. Instead millions of idiots sat at home complaining that they can't get everything they want today, and moving the needle is too much work.
Politicians do the things people ~~vote~~ donate for.
After that, they say things they think the people want to hear.
And blameing the public over not voting for somone they don't want to vote for, seems backwards. Politicians aren't entitled to any votes. They need to earn it.
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