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Burgers were invented in America.

Now sure, the Hamburger is named after Hamburg in Germany. However, the German version is actually the Hamburg steak. In other words, the meat patty. And a patty does not a burger make.

America was the country that put the bun on the hamburger. This, in drag's opinion, is when the Hamburg steak became the "burger". A new word, losing the ham and becoming what would be translated from German as "The people's meal". An apt description for the American burger.

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[–] cynar 16 points 1 month ago

I believe the oldest recipe for a burger was from the roman empire. It was sold by food carts/street vendors, and was a version of fast food.

It was ground up meat, mixed with spices, cooked on a hot plate, and served between 2 bits of bread/roll. That sounds quite burger like to me.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

That's not a opinion thing. Its just a fact that you are wrong. And nobody from Hamburg is claiming that their City invented it, the first mentions of such a thing are from the roman empire.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In Germany it is just some cheap, nondescript food. That's why the origins are not really documented in history.

Americans made a weird cult out of it. They may do so if they like. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Sure you guys "invented" it but we made it cheaper, less tasty, and overall worse for you and then made bland chains that match our bland suburban landscape. You may have created it, but we have the people who punch employees for missing pickles. So take that, Europe.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans made a weird cult out of it. They may do so if they like. :)

Judging by the name we've got ourselves a Lederhosen who's never had the joy of a proper American burger

You come to California some time and we'll show you what we did with our (meine Urgroßmutter wurde in Düsseldorf geboren) culture! I myself spent an entire year perfecting my breading mix and learning to make the perfect pretzel bun to serve them on!

Like... Ugh, I know what I'm doing this weekend

[–] NeoNachtwaechter 4 points 4 weeks ago

Americans made a weird cult out of it.

I myself spent an entire year

Thanks for confirming LMAO

[–] _stranger_ 8 points 1 month ago

Proof:

A nothingburger, being devoid of any and all resemblance to a Hamburg steak, is still a burger.

Ergo, the "burgerness" of a hamburger shares nothing but a name with the eponymous steak.

Q.E.D.

[–] Letme 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think what you mean to say is "fast food" comes from America.

"In the mid-1700s, “The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy” by Hannah Glasse carried a “Hamburgh sausages” recipe, which was served on toasted bread. In Germany, a meat patty on bread called Rundstück Warm was popular by at least 1869."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A rundstück warm I got at a bazaar in Germany was one of my favorite things I've ever eaten, but I wouldn't call it a type of burger, nor the meat inside a patty

[–] Letme 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Americans can say it's American and Germans can say it's German. Anybody else gets invaded.

[–] jewbacca117 3 points 1 month ago

Next you're going to tell me French fries arent from France

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I can't upvote this because drag's argument was too convincing lol

[–] Solumbran 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The burger comes from Germany but was adapted and popularised through the USA.

But seriously nationalities are stupid enough, we don't need to start giving passports to foods.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It was turned into a cult in usa, it was and still is a very popular fast made food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In all my time I spent in Hamburg I have never seen anyone claiming they'd serve a genuine Hamburger or something along those lines. Neither have I seen anyone else in Germany do so.

The closest German food to a hamburger would be a "Bulette im Brötchen". Which is much closer to a big meatball than a typical burger patty. And nobody calls them "Hamburger".

So I'm actually more inclined to believe that the hamburger got its name from Hamburg in the USA.

Edit: Similar to "German Chocolate Cake" which is also not found anywhere in Germany because it was invented by an American named German.