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Oklahoma parents and teachers sue to stop top education official’s classroom Bible mandate (www.cnn.com)

submitted 1 month ago by leadore to c/news

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The suit alleges the mandate violates the Oklahoma Constitution because it involves spending public money to support religion and favors one religion over another by requiring the use of a Protestant version of the Bible. It also alleges Walters and the state Board of Education don’t have the authority to require the use of instructional materials.

“As parents, my husband and I have sole responsibility to decide how and when our children learn about the Bible and religious teachings,” plaintiff Erika Wright, the founder of the Oklahoma Rural Schools Coalition and parent of two school-aged children, said in a statement. “It is not the role of any politician or public school official to intervene in these personal matters.”

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[–] givesomefucks 74 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

“The simple fact is that understanding how the Bible has impacted our nation, in its proper historical context, was the norm in America until the 1960s and its removal has coincided with a precipitous decline in American schools,” Walters wrote.

Wildly incorrect....

Pretty much the opposite really, "In God we trust" wasn't added to the mid 50s in response to the cold war.

Prior to that one of the foundational beliefs stayed true, separation of church and state.

They're confusing pushback to a new thing as people fighting against tradition

Something rightwing extremists do a lot of

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

They're not confusing anything, they're just straight up lying. Lying is a sin unless you do it, especially when to push your religion down others throats

Religions should be forbidden at this point, yes, I said what I said. I can't believe we're in 2024 and still the vast majority of the world is believing in a bunch of stone age fairytales that, if forced to start learning them at 20 would mostly get you laughter at the sheer stupidity of it. But we're force feeding this shit to damn near all the world's children, and as such, here we are thinking that any of this is acceptable.

Also, we gotta control theasses with something while they are suffering, a supernatural being giving you heaven for your suffering on earth is perfect.

[–] Fredselfish 1 points 1 month ago

Where can I donate to their cause as an Oklahoman parent I support this lawsuit.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (1 children)

GOP: "stop indoctrinating our kids!!!"

also GOP: "we're forcing our bible on your kids LOL"

[–] Omegamanthethird 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

GOP: "Protect founding traditions."

also GOP: "Protects recent changes."

[–] themeatbridge 32 points 1 month ago

Conservativism has always been a lie. There are no objectively conservative ideals. A conservative merely determines which status quo conditions they like and decides that those are the traditions that must be defended. It's narcissism dressed up as stoicism.

[–] taiyang 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, it's better than nothing even if it does sound like Christians sueing Christians to keep the right to make their kids just the right kind of Christian.

Did all the atheists leave Oklahoma or are they simply forced into hiding?

[–] RedditWanderer 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a fallacy to think the loudest are the majority. I'm not saying it's not true in this case, it's just a flawed premise.

[–] taiyang 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, surveys still suggest atheists (and "nones") in general are a minority in the US, although it's growing. But yeah, that's a true statement anyway.

I'd imagine Oklahoma is probably one of the worst, though there's a saying in atheist communities: fastest way to make someone athiest is to make them read the Bible. On that, they might be doing atheists a service, haha.

[–] stoly 5 points 1 month ago

Religion is dying all over the world at a rapid pace.

[–] slumlordthanatos 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As parents, my husband and I have sole responsibility to decide how and when our children learn about the Bible and religious teachings

I'm actually surprised this is the first time I've heard this argument, because there's a lot of parents who don't necessarily object to teaching the Bible in school, but are concerned that the way it's being taught in school differs from how it's taught at home. A Catholic would naturally have a problem with Protestant teachings in school, not to mention all of the different Protestant denominations.

I think, ultimately, that denominational infighting is what's going to sink this.

[–] Balthazar 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think, ultimately, that denominational infighting is what's going to sink this.

Isn't that the original idea behind the Establishment Clause? The founders weren't worried about religions, but denominations.

[–] stoly 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They were descendants of people who fled England specifically because they didn’t like the official church and refused to pay taxes that support it.

[–] Balthazar 5 points 1 month ago

That's long before the Constitution. At the Founding, you have Congregationalists in New England, Presbyterians in New Jersey and Philly, Quakers in Pennsylvania, Catholics in Maryland, and Church of England and Methodists all throughout. Which denomination should the federal government support? None, they decided.

[–] SpaceNoodle 7 points 1 month ago

Fingers crossed.

[–] RizzRustbolt 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe this is a defense thing. Those bibles can get pretty hefty. Should stop a bullet in a pinch.

[–] leadore 1 points 1 month ago

Not from an AR-15