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[–] UnpopularCrow 58 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From the article:

However, the Finnish Ministry of Social Affairs and Health said a decision has been made not to take in any patients from Gaza because "Finland does not have the necessary resources to respond to the patient evacuation requests". The ministry added that, with limited resources, "Finland has decided to prioritise assistance to Ukraine with regard to patient evacuations."

Seems reasonable to me.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

This number includes a list of 109 severely ill and injured children, which the WHO hoped would be treated in EU countries.

Of the 27 member states, so far just seven EU countries have announced that they will accept patients from Gaza — Spain, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Romania and Slovakia. Norway has also committed to taking in 20 patients.

The first 16 seriously injured children were evacuated to Spain in July.

If you can not handle 20 children then I will wish you good luck that you may be able to fix your health system.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

How about counties take a number of them equal to the weight of weapons supplied to Israel.

Also include those countries that supplied rockets to Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From the article:

The Financial Times newspaper reported that, based on WHO figures, over 9,000 patients are in need of urgent treatment as Gaza's health system has become overwhelmed. This number includes a list of 109 severely ill and injured children, which the WHO hoped would be treated in EU countries.

9000 / 27 = ~334

Meanwhile:

Norway has also committed to taking in 20 patients.
[...]
The first 16 seriously injured children were evacuated to Spain in July.

Peanuts.

[–] Neon 12 points 2 months ago

Nope. The WHO hopes to get the children here, not everyone.

So 109/27 ≈ 4

So 20 and 16 is massive, not peanuts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Also if splitting it by approx. the countries population it gets even lower. Finland has like 5.6 of ca. 450 million EU inhabitants. So that number goes down to like 100 people.

Finland is claiming that their health system cannot take in a hundred patients? If i was Finnish i would leave immediately and seek refugee, as their system must be at imminent collapse, according to their government.

[–] WhatAmLemmy 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Neoliberal conservative government practices neoliberal conservatism.

[–] Mirror [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

They also have an openly racist party in the government. Sannfinländarna, meaning "The true Finns"

[–] Aceticon 1 points 2 months ago

Neoliberal conservative = Fascist Adjacent.

[–] Dasus 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If i was Finnish i would leave immediately and seek refugee, as their system must be at imminent collapse, according to their government.

I'm Finnish and I know you're joking, but you're honestly not missing the truth much.

This place is absolutely overrated. "Happiest country in the world"? No, it isn't and no such study ever measures Finns Happiness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how many of these studies are made by the tourism branch of economy to attract travellers.

Anyways, hope you're doing fine up there :)

[–] Dasus 1 points 2 months ago

I don't know if it was a tourism board or whatnot, but I know the misunderstanding there was. The study was about contentedness, not happiness per se, and in Finnish culture, complaining is sort of frowned upon, so basically some interviewers went on the street in several countries, and took down how people said they feel about something. And they ask if a Finnish person is content. And Finns don't really complain, so... next thing you know the study is being touted as having measured happiness and Finns having topped the list.

Anyways, hope you’re doing fine up there :)

Can't complain, thanks.

[–] Dasus 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a Finn, Finland is highly fucking overrated.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’m used to see impressive and progressive news about Finland. I know it’s easy to fawn over a place I haven’t been to, but it seems to have its “head screwed on” in terms of governance and quality of life.

[–] Dasus 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, yes and no.

I know I would have it worse in a lot of other places, but also, quite a few of the problems I have, I wouldn't have had, so I wouldn't have necessarily had it worse. Depends.

I think this whole "happiest country in the world" shit exemplifies some of what I mean. The study was about contentedness. So Finland is a place in which people say they are the least not-miserable. Finnish culture has this sort of "don't complain" thing in it. I don't know if it was a common saying in other places, but when I would hurt myself as a kid, the most common phrase to hear was "it can't hurt if it's not bleeding".

Finland has the most complaints about police abuse in the Nordics. More than all the other Nordics complained, about 40million vs like 5. But Finns have a very hard time believing the police actually behave poorly and abuse their power. I have personal experience on this. https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html Quite a lot actually.

I'm happy that I can be rather sure that I don't have to rob or fight people, as we do have social security, but the bureaucracy around it is ridiculous, needless, expensive, slow, fucked, just absolute garbage.

Essentially the only problems we have is the ones we've created ourself, is my point. But then most Finns don't want to recognise those issues. Which is one of the main issues.

[–] FarraigePlaisteach 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kiitos, that was insightful. I’ve heard of the “don’t complain” trait before. I think it can lead to painful repression in us as people.

Essentially the only problems we have is the ones we've created ourself, is my point. But then most Finns don't want to recognise those issues. Which **is** one of the main issues.

That does sound like an impossible situation.

[–] Dasus 1 points 2 months ago

Well, you know, we're not the first to have that problem, and I don't think the last.