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Homeland Security Admits It Tried to Manufacture Fake Terrorists for Trump (gizmodo.com)

submitted 1 month ago by FenrirIII to c/politics

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[–] CharlesDarwin 83 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Nothing surprising about this at all.

This is the same old rat-fucking playbook of the fascists going way back to the days of COINTELPRO and probably earlier. And then this same mentality is what led the right wing to do things like infiltrate vegan potlucks in order to combat "terrorism", lol.

This is the same bunch that ignored the obvious planning of the donnie fanbase of J6. The same bunch that already found that the far right are the ones that represent the biggest threat to this country and yet do very little about it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I mean... have you heard about the attack on Sender Gleiwitz?

False flag is a true and tested tradition for fascists

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They infiltrated vegan potlucks?!

[–] CharlesDarwin 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This was an effort in the early days of the "war on terror": https://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-informant-vegan-potluck/437/

You have to remember that a lot of qons still view veg*ns as anathema to "American values".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

At the time, they also wanted to go after Quakers for terrorism charges, one of the only religous groups who are exempt from being drafted involuntarily into the military because violence is strictly against their religion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Every day I find a new reason to hate the US government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

1/3 of vegans I know are an inch from activation already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Those evil vegans sharing food together.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why fabricate fake terrorists when we have so many white nationalists around? Oh, because he likes those ones...

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 10 points 1 month ago

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!" -Trump

[–] NegativeLookBehind 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[–] Lost_My_Mind 23 points 1 month ago

......yes.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago

Shouting "were not fascists!" while doing facist things, does not stop you from being fascists.

[–] just_another_person 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Harris certainly needs to be bringing this up in every.single.interview.

Not only does it shut up the critics of her being the fake "border czar", it also illustrates the need to manufacture bullshit to sell a false narrative, which is the entirely of Trump's being.

[–] RunningInRVA 4 points 1 month ago

This article is from November of 2022, so it probably won’t resonate with voters any more than his more recent offenses.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Homeland security was created after 9/11 by Bush, so that tracks.

[–] FarFarAway 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One point of contention. I dont think tangles is some defunct meta app. Texas has recently acquired a contract with a law enforcement surveillance tool called tangles.

Tangles is a product offered by the cybersecurity company Cobwebs Technologies, which was founded in Israel in 2014 by three former members of Israeli military special units. The company has said their products, which are marketed as open source intelligence (OSINT) tools, have been used to combat terrorism, drug smuggling, and money laundering, but Meta has accused the company of operating as a surveillance-for-hire outfit. In 2023, Cobwebs Technologies was acquired by the Nebraska-based tech firm PenLink Ltd.

This tool is out there, and still being used.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meta has accused the company of operating as a surveillance-for-hire outfit.

What?

[–] FarFarAway 1 points 1 month ago

Idk, ask the Texas Tribune, haha.

I feel people have made the same mistake before, and confused crowdtangle, which is a disinformation tracker, and tangles, which is a "surveillance-for-hire outfit." Meta probably felt the need to clarify, at least once time before.

[–] Sam_Bass 1 points 1 month ago

SOP for The Group Of Prevaricators

[+] [email protected] -22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The headline is overstating things quite a bit. From the article:

DHS analysts recounted orders to generate evidence of financial ties between protesters in custody

I wouldn't call that manufacturing fake terrorists.

[–] Veedem 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The headline is absolutely NOT overstating things.

From page 64 of the actual report:

Politicization of Intelligence Products. This investigation revealed no evidence of politicization (roughly "write this analysis this way to support this political assertion") 467 by anyone in the I&A chain of command or DHS Secretary's office. However, Mr. Murphy did make other attempts to controvert the collection-analysis process. Particularly illuminative was the promulgation of the term "Violent Antifa Anarchists Inspired" (VAAI).

As discussed by several intelligence analysts, to understand the genesis for VAAl, one must take the events of the summer into context. In many conversations, Mr. Murphy stated that the violent protesters in Portland were connected to or motivated by ANTIFA. This may have made sense to Mr. Murphy based on his own beliefs, but 1&A did not have collections (evidence) to show it and absent reporting or some other evidence on motivation, 1&A analysts could not ascribe motivation to the violent actors as Mr. Murphy expected. Mr. Murphy would tell the analysts to cite to existing OSIRs as evidence of the motivation, but the OSIRs did not draw a connection to ANTIFA. For weeks, the analysts had been telling Mr. Murphy that because ANTIF A was not in the collection, it could not be put into the analysis. Notwithstanding this feedback from the I&A analysts, on July 25, 2020, Mr. Murphy sent an email to his senior leadership instructing them that henceforth, the violent opportunists in Portland were to be reported as VAAI, unless the intel "show[ed] ... something different."468 The analysts stated that "if you lived through the process, you could see where this VAAI definition was coming from a mile away. He got tired of the analysts telling him they did not have the reporting and he was convinced it was ANTIFA so he was going to fix the problem by changing what the collectors were reporting."

This is a pretty big fucking deal considering how much the GOP was crying about ANTIFA.