Am I the only one who kinda likes Teams? They did a full rewrite a while ago and now the app is pretty stable.
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There's one critical issue with Teams that's about to result in it being banned for government work.
You can't save logs.
My small city just changed domains and went to 365 Government. As part of the process we had to migrate all our accounts and create new ones, and we lost all of our Teams history because there's no way to save the logs.
Now if someone asks for chat history as part of an Open Records Request or as discovery in a lawsuit, we can't provide them. Other government bodies are starting to realize this and everyone's about to start getting "don't use Teams" memos from the lawyers.
Yeah, the same thing happened to the organization I used to work for. They did a weird hack where bots recreated all conversations on the new account.
it's still dog slow. As in 30 seconds to load the calndar slow.
Except for the fact that it's now invasive as hell and trying to monitor/sell everything on your computer after the rewrite. We had to ditch teams after the rework because it wanted to phone home to dozens of IPs with information about our computers and actions.
The high score was blocking 112 outgoing requests with personal data in a single 1 hour call. (We have network connections locked down on our computers using Little Snitch).
Absolute madness and frankly every single person involved in Microsoft Teams should be thrown in jail for espionage and stalking.
Teams is such a confusing app. To start off, what is it meant to be? A frontend for onedrive? A chat app? A videocall app? It's like microsoft's attemp to make their own everything app. What was wrong with Skype? Actually, Teams shows up as "skypeforlinux" (complete with a Skype icon) in Pavucontrol, so is the videocalling part of teams just a re-packaged skype? Why does the web version of teams have its own integrated Excel which is slightly different from standard web excel? It feels like the UI was specifically designed to mislead. There is a list of icons on the left that allow you to switch between different contexts in the app. The visual design makes it look like a set of radiobuttons, except clicking on some of them twice does a different action... There is a home screen, and then also a second SUPER HOME screen!? I can't even get angry it at for being a slow bloated jumble of spyware like the rest of microsoft's garbage (which it is), I just feel a sense of morbid fascination every time I'm forced to use it. It feels like an AI-generated app from a future where AI is much more capable but still utterly fails at understanding humans. It's the uncanny valley of user experience.
I use it for IM, meetings, and calls. I've used so many of these tools that they are all basically the same. At least I can send images in a group chat unlike the Cisco jabber at my old job.
One thing I miss about Lync (maybe the only thing lol) was that each chat was a separate window. ...you couldn't combine them unfortunately but I often find myself wishing I could pop a chat out of Slack, Discord, etc.
Slack allows pop out recently
TELL ME PLEASEEEE I BEG OF YOU
All of the Microsoft sounds trigger this.
First thing I do is change the default sounds. I wish teams provided some options other than zoom ripoff ringtone
I do a fair bit of freelance and also access a lot of client networks remotely or using their hardware. I have my own licence for ms365 as well on my own hardware.
Teams just doesn't know what the fuck it's doing. It holds on to old accounts from years ago but doesn't recall my own, active account. It behaves in the app sometimes but a lot of the time the browser option is the only viable way. It can't work out that I have a webcam most of the time.
Almost all meetings I have begin with me being 2-3 minutes late and messaging them that teams is being a fuck. And they all laugh knowingly, because everyone literally expects it.
It is the buggiest most unpredictable piece of shit that I have to use almost daily, and almost exclusively with government clients who often have their own weird on prem custom version. I hate it with every atom in my body.
I hate teams, I hate Azure dev ops, I hate windows.
I had this years ago when I was in IT and had the on-call pager. We rotated it around the team so in had it every 6 weeks or so but it sucked hearing it go off in the middle of the night for some random server issue.
I have to use it and it sucks so bad
I swear they intentionally make their app buggy as shit on Linux to punish us for not using Windows.
I mean, I'm sure you're right but it's buggy as shit on Windows too.
Forza Horizon offered custom horns, one of them was the Teams “someone calling” notification. I would be in a race and use that horn and laugh as another player suddenly goes AFK.
That is weaponized panic.
Hated that horn! Instantly triggered
I keep getting asked at work if I use teams. I tell them I never learned how to use it and I have no intention of learning. I have email when I need something documented. I have a phone when I'm away from my desk, which is most of the time. I can also discuss things face to face, because I'm not afraid of walking across site, since I'm doing that most of the day anyway.
As shitty as teams is, it's so much better for communicating with people than emails.
IDK about that. I have messages just vanish from my conversation history in Teams all the time. I'll go back and try to reference something I sent somebody a month ago and parts of the conversation are just gone. I don't have that problem with email I can pull up stuff from a decade ago if I need to.
It's the worst at everything it tries to do
I'll put up with it but has their ever been a person who wanted the document to open as a modal window inside Teams where you can't even go back to the chat of the person who sent it without closing it?
So you have to open in browser and then open the browser version in desktop.
I don't really hate Teams but that really triggers me. Otherwise I feel like Teams and I have a lot in common (like the whole tried to do too much and so does nothing well thing).
It really wants me to host a webinar. I get a pop-up every day telling me about how great this function supposedly is. You'd think there was a VC generative AI project attached to it with how hard it's being pushed.
It's Microsoft, they probably want you to host a webinar so they can use you to train AI to do it
That's not true. It's good at working with other Microsoft apps, and only Microsoft apps, not anything Unix. Like PowerPoint.... except of course when you try to present in Teams from PowerPoint, that usually doesn't work.
So much corporate misery channeled into a single app
It's funny, we use it lightly for it's intended purpose. I work in person on the ground and so do most people in the company. We're spread wide geographically. I like what teams has done for us. We use it sparingly.
There are much, MUCH better systems out there that can do the same, just better, without all the bullshit and high cost
If you only use it to do video (optional) calls with a handful of people and share screens it is passable. I kind of like it for that, just a phone replacement with optional video and screen sharing.
Anything beyond that though, bleah.
what is beyond that? I only know about the video calling
Chat rooms and one on one chats. Teams is basically Microsoft's version of Slack. Slack is sort of the corporate version of Discord if you haven't used it.
Larger meetings where the wall of videos is wonky, mics have to be muted and unmuted, and the number of people with video on causes the connections to get choppy.
It gets used as the in-house chat client at my place of employment. I work in a rural area in an old building so cell service is spotty at best, so it's handy to be able to shoot a chat to anyone instead of an email or walking over to their office.
In my daily experience, the voice becomes choppy when a screen is being shared. It's the worst out of what I've used in the past.
the slack notification sound is close second
"Hummus"
I'm kinda glad I lost my job at the beginning of COVID, we were preparing to move to Teams.