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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"I have high standards, I'd rather have my clothes covered in dog shit than put on a non-Gucci article of clothing."

How's them standards going for you when you're now covered in shit?

[–] PugJesus 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They revel in being covered in shit. Then they call you the real filth for not covering yourself in shit.

In other words, not unlike Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You joke but they legit just are republicans who insist they're leftists because they're wearing a coat of red paint over that shit.

Like 9/10 times they're some bougie white kid who never experiences the difference between republican and democratic governance first hand because they're privileged and insulated from it, and also they're tied to people who do nothing but complain about how awful democrats are and they refuse to do any unlearning beyond just saying they aren't bigots anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

single issues voters would rather be consuming literal dogshit than see their issue unresolved

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 46 points 2 months ago (65 children)

Politicians will always disappoint you. There will always be things left undone, done poorly, or done in a way you disagree with. Everybody needs to get used to this and learn we vote for the least bad, not the most good.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

A more nuanced version of this is, if you live in a state that has 0% chance of swinging, feel free to do a protest vote. Voting for Jill Stein or write in Bernie Sanders in California or Wyoming will not change anything, on the other hand if you do funny votes in Pennsylvania or Georgia you are worse than MAGA people.

[–] Blue_Morpho 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Even if you are in a Blue State, the US needs to overwhelmingly reject Trump both in electoral and popular vote.

Otherwise a Trump replacement will pop up in 4 years.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes, with electoral college that strategy is acceptable... buuuuuut...

DON'T sleep for a second on the downballot races, for House Rep., Senator, Governor, state positions, ballot measures (including on a woman's right to an abortion), and everything else applicable to you on Election Day. DON'T stay home even if you don't like your choice of President/VP or that your state won't affect who will reside in the Oval Office.

Any of these other races can be close. Each has a piece of a government that has big effects on many of the issues you care about.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 23 points 2 months ago

NO ONE is a perfect candidate

[–] Xanis 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty typical of left leaning voters. Lots of issues, lots of arguing, very little in the way of coming together. Give the Right one thing: They will come together to fuck you over.

[–] pingveno 8 points 2 months ago

The left wing circular firing squad

[–] VerbFlow 21 points 2 months ago (18 children)

I'm still going to tick the Kamala box, but I'm ashamed of how little she's trying to be a good candidate. After Nov4, I'll get going with direct action.

[–] 4lan 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, her winning is not the end. We need to apply a massive amount of pressure since she is a neoliberal.

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[–] EleventhHour 21 points 2 months ago

Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here is another take. You vote for both:

  1. The group that most closely resembles what you want AND
  2. The group that most likely will listen to your requests during the administration

If there are things you want changed, Nov 5 is not the last day but the beginning. The next president will make decisions for 4 years, and every decision is influenced by people and our voices.

Ask yourself, between Harris and Trump, which administration is most likely to want the things I want, and which is most likely to listen and be influenced by my side of political views and the people I support?

For me, the answer is a hard NO on Trump, and a pretty solid Yes on Harris.

Like the other thread abut guns. Sure, the Dems talk about wanting gun reform and it never gets done because they don't have a super majority in Congress. But the GOP is 100% against it and will never contribute. Which side is more likely to do anything to help the reform I want to see? 4 years of Dems is a good amount of time to press for issues and seek some improvements. If I let the GOP have 4 more years, we are not even going to talk about change until the next election.

Those that are willing to sit out an election because the Dems are not perfect, are inflicting the worst candidate on all of us and themselves. Don't you dare later complain about school shootings, wealth inequality, tax cuts for the rich, abuse of queer folks, women's rights, international inhumane policy. Don't inflict Trump on us and then pretend to care about our issues or be on our side. If you sit out, you've picked a side.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'd just like to clarify that presidential elections are not the only time to vote if you want to see any actual change. There are elections every year. Keep up to date on what's going on in your state, in your county, in your city or town, and actually put the work in.

Most of the people in power got there by being elected to other positions years ago.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

No American here. I ask myself, does a third candidate have any real chance of getting enough votes to gain visibility in the media and elsewhere? Even if it is for future elections?

I don't know the answer, but if it's no and you know it and still decide to vote for a third candidate, you're an idiot. Work to make this a reality within four years, for the next four years, if you don't do it and just complain you're an asshole.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The trouble with never voting for a 3rd party is that you enable the 2 party system, which fundamentally promotes tribalism, division, and corruption.

Whats worse is that it snowballs and is completely out of control. There was a time when I would say that it's worth voting for a candidate that will never get elected to sway future policy, but although it's always felt like the other guy I'd going to ruin everything, it's truer now than it has ever been. And it won't stop at Trump. Trump could be dead, some equally craven ghoul would take his place. That ship will never turn, it will only pull away from the Democrats. Nothing can ever progress. There is only the fight.

America is a cautionary tale.

If your country is lucky enough to have 3 or more major political forces, keep that alive.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

vote for voting reform in your state. That solves most of that problem.

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[–] Sam_Bass 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

She doesnt have to be perfect, just better than the fat shithead her opponent is.

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[–] dubious 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

trump is back to leading in the polls, folks. pull your heads out of your asses.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Until she is elected, I will be a solid supporter. As soon as she's elected, I'll go back to being a critic. But lordy, I'd vote for a literal clown before a Trump.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

No, she isn't. What needs to be said is that she presents far less danger for our country than Trump does. It really sucks having two candidates you don't like, but for the sake of integrity, you have to always choose what you believe is the lesser of two evils.

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[–] niktemadur 11 points 2 months ago

sOCiaL mEdiA kEePs Me iNfOrMed!
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe! wHy BoThEr VoTiNg LoL!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (5 children)

We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.

It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.

Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.

[–] PugJesus 7 points 2 months ago (10 children)

"I don't understand what a primary is", the voter.

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