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[–] [email protected] 235 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Agreed. The Green Party sits on their ass until presidential election. They haven’t moved the needle. Best case scenario, they’ve convinced a few non-voters to participate. Worst case, they’re dishonest opportunists.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This angle also needs to be considered). She’s not running in good faith. She’s essentially functioning as a 5th column to pull away voters who would otherwise vote for Harris.

I’m not saying Harris shouldn’t be pushed on environmental issues. I am saying that trying to do that by voting for Stein is actively harmful to the goal of not letting the fascists win this election.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 months ago (12 children)

More importantly, if you are voting for her because of the environment, voting for stein is actually harmful to that goal because it helps trump win, which means instead of making baby steps in the right direction, we'll run full steam in the wrong direction.

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[–] TheLowestStone 49 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Most of the greens here on Lemmy convinced me to never consider a green canidate.

[–] makyo 35 points 2 months ago

I would absolutely vote Green but to do so would be unthinkable until we have ranked choice voting. We should band all the leftists together for one big push to get that enacted everywhere. Once we do that we can go back to our divisive bickering.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 2 months ago (31 children)

I don't think it bodes well she sat with Putin at a conference, whether there was "language barriers" or not.

[–] psycho_driver 102 points 2 months ago

Oh come on, she had another American there to make sure nothing fishy was going on. The always beyond reproach Michael Flynn.

[–] disguy_ovahea 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Putin obviously could give two shits about the planet. He just knew that she’d pull more votes from Clinton than Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166

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[–] BetaBlake 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Flynn pisses me off so much, it amazes me you can spend your entire career serving your country in mostly a leadership role and still end up a traitor.

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[–] Carrolade 121 points 2 months ago (53 children)

It is admittedly a little ironic that the Greens' existence has likely resulted in the rollback of environmental regulations. It's almost like their top leadership post-Nader is just accelerationist in philosophy.

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[–] Snapz 92 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Putin owns this lady. You're a dumb, bad, selfish person, Jill.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_ 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wonder where Stein’s money comes from right before elections.

Some people are asking.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 months ago (51 children)

Look, whatever you think of Jill Stein, she can only be a threat to democrats because they are vulnerable to arguments from the left. If you don't want to be vulnerable from the left, adopt some of their popular ideas. Putin isn't tricking Americans into being anti genocide, or into wanting universal health care.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She isn't so much making arguments from the left, but arguments from fantasy land. She thinks wifi is bad for kids brains and that we can stop using fossil fuels AND nuclear by 2030. Most of what she says simply had no basis in reality.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (23 children)

Are those the arguments you think that are siphoning off democratic voters?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (30 children)

She can only be a threat to democrats in a first past the post voting system.

The Green party doesn't run on its policies. They've opposed nuclear for decades, and we'd be having a very different conversation about global warming if they hadn't basically won there. They have opposed WiFi and cell phone radiation as "cancer causing", and have supported homeopathy. If they ran on their policies, they would find a dwindling number of people on the left who actually support them, because they're vestigial loons concocted in a 1960s hippie lab.

The Green party runs on being the only party on the left that's bigger than almost nothing. That's it, that's all they do.

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[–] MehBlah 75 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The green party aka the gop distraction party.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I can’t believe people STILL can’t see them for who they are.

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[–] graeghos_714 22 points 2 months ago (26 children)

If we had a normal election I'd be voting 3rd party because of the Dem's unwavering support for Israel with a genocide happening there. Unfortunately our choice is like choosing between a shit sandwich or pureed cauliflower for dinner. Pureed cauliflower sounds disgusting but when so many people are going to choose the shit sandwich I better vote for Cauliflower so I don't eat shit

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