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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

I think it's fantastic but also it has gotten a ton of praise and is fondly remembered, so adequately rated imo

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

Why can’t we have art deco industrial design on modern devices? Smartphones with the aesthetics of 1920s cigarette cases/makeup mirrors and such. That stuff still looks daringly modern, despite the actual use cases of the objects being obsolete to the point of being essentially alien artefacts.

[–] Professorozone 7 points 2 months ago

I absolutely love it and the streamline industrial period that came after it. Awesome style.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what it's rating is, but it's not forgotten. I bet if you surveyed 100 people to name art styles, I am confident that well over 60% would mention art deco.

[–] Valmond 2 points 2 months ago

Art nouveau, that's (also)totally awesome but quite forgotten...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

New Capenna!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Can we bring back Detroit but without the racism and redlining?

[–] rock_hand 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Detroit is already back and fuckin rocks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tell me about it? I love hearing about towns I can't visit RN

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I left Detroit for LA in 2002. Was living in hamtramck and D was getting close to it's lowest point. Woodward was a ghost town after the offices emptied. Most storefronts bordered up. The most beautiful buildings emply and extremely run down. You wouldn't want to walk down it at night. I decided to move within 2 weeks of someone shooting a gun outside my home because I felt my life was at risk then.

Fast forward to today. Woodward is nearly completely rebuilt from the riverfront to highland Park. Empty storefronts now filled. Book building and Michigan Central fully restored and beautiful again. Population growth for the first time on my life in downtown. Even corktown which was just a slum of old warehouses is now a hot place to move to in the US. There are still major issues here. While some have benefited the wages in the area are too depressed to drive any real growth and the mismanagement of the big 3 automakers still put the entire region at great risk.

I live less than 20 minutes from downtown and would even consider moving there but the school system is still a shamble and the downtown prices are equal to other big cities with more opportunities. I hope for more growth outside of auto in this area cause the overall COL is low. Half of what it cost me to live in LA. You can still move to the region and buy a nice starter home in a safe area close to work for under $300k. Even less if you can do some rehab yourself. it is growing slowly but that is good for this area as it has 60+ years of decline before this very recent recovery. People are hopeful but they are still very skeptical it is permanent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Sounds awesome, thanks for sharing.

[–] PugJesus 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Awwww, I was hoping for brimmed hats and street cars :(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I was expecting expand into Malik ; 3

[–] buzz86us 3 points 2 months ago

First our car companies will have to build a culturally relevant car.. That has a 0% chance of happening

[–] Asidonhopo 25 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I don't really know what anarchosyndicalism means

[–] rockSlayer 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

well, let's start by breaking down the word.

  • Anarcho: without leaders
  • Syndicalism: a socialist economy in which the will of workers are directed through labor unions

So as a word, it means a socialist society without leaders, with an economy controlled by justified hierarchy. From what I've found in my search is that anarcho-syndicalists don't really have any major published political philosophy (I know it's out there, I just haven't found it), but it's typically taken the form of aggressive, sometimes militant methods of organizing workers. Historically, the one extreme example of their success was the anarcho-syndicalist CNT union during the Spanish revolution, which established a wartime socialist economy based on syndicalist values.

An important term I want to point out that's important to all anarchist strains of political philosophy is justified hierarchy. An extremely common misconception is that anarchists want pure chaos by destroying all of society, which couldn't be further from the truth. In actuality, they are opposed to all hierarchy that cannot be justified. This includes political parties, governments, and representative democracy. Instead they believe in highly cooperative direct democracy to ensure the will of the people. This is distinct from government due to free association. With syndicalism in the mix, this means that unions direct the distribution of goods within and between communities based on free association; both communities/unions/federations cooperate for as long as both groups see it as beneficial. These unions do not have any influence on what people choose to do, in fact the union itself is a justified hierarchy with limited direct influence on their member's lives, but controlled via participatory direct democracy. that is what it means to have justified hierarchy.

[–] captainlezbian 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I am one, so I can shed some light. It’s a tactic more than a philosophy, much like democratic socialism, but in this case arguing that armed unions directly seizing the means of production and serving as a unifier for the working class and training ground for solidarity is the best means to move towards a stateless, classless, and leaderless (or leaderful) society. Philosophy wise we attract everyone from marxists to mutualists (I lean that way).

There’s one major an-synd organization still around, the IWW, a radical union notable for influencing basically every radical, it’s absolutely rock stars of founders and members such as Lucy Parsons (born a slave, married a white man who died for Haymarket, proceeded to call for the homeless to kill the wealthy for decades) and James Connolly (martyred in the Easter rising), and for it being the only group willing to unionize everyone from dock workers to dick workers to freelancers to prisoners.

[–] PugJesus 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Syndicalism is using labor unions as a means of eventually gaining workers' control over the economy and abolishing capitalism.

[–] chonglibloodsport 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Do you still have market pricing for goods under syndicalism? I assume yes, since there’s no central government so there can’t be any central planning committee.

How do trade disputes get settled? Heck, how do we stop environmental damage? Suppose the forest-workers union decides to just clearcut all the forests and then stockpile the wood in their warehouses to drive up the prices like a wood cartel? With no central government and no authority, I’m not clear on the means other syndicates have of resolving this.

[–] PugJesus 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do you still have market pricing for goods under syndicalism? I assume yes, since there’s no central government so there can’t be any central planning committee.

How do trade disputes get settled? Heck, how do we stop environmental damage? Suppose the forest-workers union decides to just clearcut all the forests and then stockpile the wood in their warehouses to drive up the prices like a wood cartel? With no central government and no authority, I’m not clear on the means other syndicates have of resolving this.

Lot of arguments that can go on about this. In a market socialist economy there would be market pricing - but there are non-market ideas of economic distribution. Your mileage may vary on how... realistic you regard them for a modern and complex society.

I have anarchist sympathies, but I'm not an anarchist myself - the issues you describe being among my own. Anarcho-syndicalists tend to assume a great degree of cooperation between unions. Syndicalism is not inherently anarchist, though anarcho-syndicalism is a prominent strain of syndicalism. More traditional Democratic Socialist structures are very much compatible with a syndicalist outlook.

[–] Valmond 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The invisible foot of syndicalism-market will squash those bad people.

[–] chonglibloodsport 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] chonglibloodsport 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! I can never tell around here!

[–] Valmond 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey no problem!

It's a stupid take on the capitalisms "invisible hand" that is supposed to fix the market.

[–] captainlezbian 9 points 2 months ago

It’s when you and your union decide you own the place now and that if the old owners would like to keep it they’re gonna have to outgun you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.

By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--

--but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--

[–] problematicPanther 4 points 2 months ago

Bloody peasant!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Unions (or workers syndicates) operate as the backbone of the economy. These syndicates are organized into varying levels of syndicates (national, local, etc). They then form a web like structure where they coordinate resources in a decentralized manner while also being partially centralized through central syndicates.

[–] captainlezbian 22 points 2 months ago

Ay boss, me and the folks on the line was talking. We decided that through our labor we’ve built enough equity in this place that it’s ours now. Now seeing as you work for a living like us, if you’re willing to let us hire you you can join our union and maybe even be voted back to your old job. Otherwise we’re gonna have to insist you leave because we’ve got work to do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus 4 points 2 months ago

Me and my local union (they love the Charleston)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

As an AnSynd, let's goooooo :3