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[–] PunnyName 85 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Almost like God isn't real and was made up by humans to control people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

You don't say?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I'm sure it wasn't made to control people, I think it was made to explain stuff they didn't understand and became a tool of control later

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

what??

Where did you hear that?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago
[–] Nuke_the_whales 57 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you read the old testament in particular, god never denies the existence of other gods, only that he's the best one. Yahweh was actually just one god in an ancient pre Jewish pantheon. He was like Dionysus, a god of harvest and wine and rebirth. Different tribes had different chief gods, but all accepted the existence of the others. Just happened over time that the people who worshipped Yahweh were the only ones left and it became a monotheistic religion.

I'm sure back in the day, those gods were more similar to Greek gods, flawed and monstrous, and entities to fear. That's why the old testament god is such a psychopath.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I've never seen any evidence of him being anything but a war and storm god similar to Baal.

Great video on it for those interested: https://youtu.be/mdKst8zeh-U

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Do we know what/who the other gods were?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

At the head of this pantheon was Yahweh, held in an especially high regard as the two Israelite kingdoms' national god.[3] Some scholars hold that the goddess Asherah was worshipped as Yahweh's consort,[3] though other scholars disagree.[4] Following this duo were second-tier gods and goddesses, such as Baal, Shamash, Yarikh, Mot, and Astarte

[–] Nuke_the_whales 10 points 3 months ago

Some appear in the bible or are mentioned. Baal I know was one. And was later turned into a satan thing by medieval Christians. Ashira as well gets mentioned in the Bible in a vague sense, but she was the wife of Yahweh.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Its a shame that a lack of hard evidence and a disdain for looking for more from theological groups resisting demystifying their religion means we don't know or have records on a lot of the early days of poly to mono theism.

Considering it looks like the 18th Dynasty of Egypt had a push to move away from Poly in Amun that involved building a new captial with the help of skilled laborers from the North Canaanites only to be be attacked for their position by the older poly religious leaders causing the downfall off the new capital falling and the workers fleeing back across the desert...

I mean there is so much to piece together of how politics and the empires of the time influenced how we as humans and religions developed but then you might ruin the idea of magic with real world incredible stories.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For sloth, the dude worked for one week and didn't do squat after that.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

To be fair though, according to the book he did like everything during that one week.

[–] Agent641 41 points 3 months ago

Burnout is real folks

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[–] Username02 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

God created hell so we can one day drag his psychotic ass there.

[–] Wizard_Pope 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Not defending god here but afaik the 7 deadly sins come from the divine comedy

Edit: It appears I was mistaken. They are just not directly mentioned in the bible.

[–] GreyJolly 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[–] derbolle 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but it is ultimately completely pointless. someone(or rather many someones) made up the OG bible canon and some fanfics are becoming almost canon by being well known. same difference

[–] rtxn 14 points 3 months ago

Revelation is one of the most quoted judeo-christian texts, and I recently learned that it was written as a fanfic and it took the fandom a surprisingly long time to recognise it as part of the official lore.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The term isn't found in the bible,but there are plenty of references to the sins.

Mark 7:20-23 (NLT) 20 And then he added, 'It is what comes from inside that defiles you. 21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.'

Proverbs 6:16 - 19 (KJV)

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood

An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren

[–] j4k3 7 points 3 months ago

Most are derived from Psalms, Proverbs, and other locations in the old testament. It came from Catholicism. The weakest of the seven for a Biblical origin is Sloth, as it is derived from a failure to act in line with scripture. The list itself is not of canonical origin but is instead a collection of thoughts in a simplification that is easier to digest and remember.

There is some value in the scripture when it comes to philosophy, however small that may be. It is a great example of what humans were able to directly observe in their time, the ways humans were manipulated with their vulnerabilities, how politics and religion were the same thing in past eras, and many other minor intrigues. Still, 99% of life that has ever existed has gone extinct, and there is not a single reference in scripture that reflects ontological knowledge of the universe. Every bit of every religious work around the world can be explained by human observations and meddling. If a God exists, the least they could have done is prove their existence by giving any of the cosmological constants that are the fundamental building blocks of the universe, or act like a sane person and give me a call any time - my phone is on. Faith is a synonym for fantasy, and primarily persists because of religious isolationist social networking, and teaching faith to gullible children before they have a choice in their social networking development path.

[–] ZILtoid1991 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Note that the seven deadly sin isn't present in the bible, and is a later addition.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Yep. The whole idea of seven deadly vices and seven heavenly virtues is a Christianization of the Ancient Greek ideas of virtues and vices. There really isn’t a direct connection to the Bible.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Funny thing - no god(s) have ever punished a single person for any of those transgressions - only people do.

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[–] Sakychu 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Rules for thee but not for me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm not saying it's real, but if it was, can you really make a case for all 9 billion people (or however many there are now) to have the same powers as a God?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] _stranger_ 10 points 3 months ago

That might be the most satisfying up vote anyone has ever given.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Exmo take: there are divine attributes to each sin.

Sloth is to be meek and humble.

It is good to healthfully "lust" towards your lawfully wed spouce.

Take pride in your work, and family.

Be gluttonous in your education and church studies.

Be envious of God's attention by doing good acts.

There is a righteous wrath in terms of self defense and protecting others from wrongdoing.

And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.

There's a bunch of mental gymnastics involved but that's from when I was a "good mormon boy."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.

According to Luke 16:13 Jesus said “You cannot serve both God and money.”

Mark 10:21 “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Be envious of God’s attention by doing good acts.

To be fair, the Greek pantheon would definitely punish mortals for upstaging them, so at least this God got some of his priorities in order

[–] schloppah 4 points 3 months ago

Bible god punished and divided all humanity for trying to build a tower to meet him

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As far as I know these sins are only sins for mortals. For example pride is wrong because you worship yourself instead of God. Sloth is wrong because it would be your job to better the world, not God's and so on.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting 9 points 3 months ago

The gluttony one needs work tbh. Bit of a gish gallop there needing reinforcement.

[–] BarbecueCowboy 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Envy is an interesting one, I think this is usually based primarily on the 'Golden Calf' story.

There's a bit of context that makes that story much more interesting. The stories that eventually led to what we think of as the christian god depict god as a bull. It brings up the possibility that the story wasn't calling out against worshipping other gods but instead a warning against reverting back to old ways, changes how you approach the story.

Historical evidence there is really all over the place though, there's a LOT of other interpretations and possibilities.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You know the sins aren't really like that in the original text and I've taken to thinking this is just a collection of rules to help make a more productive second class work force.

Don't be sitting around when you could be working and don't think that just because you did the work you can claim to own it.
Don't be wanting more or better either. And if you eat to much you will forget the hunger that pushes you to keep working.
Don't fight back and be thankful for what you get and nothing else.

I mean I get it sometimes the work needs to get done but christianity feels weaponized as a stick with a single carrot that you can never get to have cause it's been made up by the people getting beaten by the stick.
I don't want to be part of the chorus that exists eternal to praise Yahweh and nothing else.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I know Anon is, uh, joking and we shouldn't use a 4chan greentext for real discussion, but the wrath and envy points are why I'm more inclined to believe the Gnostic version of Christianity over the others. It's super weird and telling that the Judeo-Christian God is extremely jealous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

God is a sigma

[–] Kyrgizion 5 points 3 months ago

DemiURGE to kill.. rising...

[–] UncleGrandPa 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget... Gamboling is a deadly Sin.... Proceeds to fuck with Lot to win a bet

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think you meant gambling, but gamboling is probably disallowed by these nitwits too.

"Yaehab, such demonstrations of joy allow Satan into your heart!" *Backhands child*

[–] Rolando 4 points 3 months ago

If He was up there chillin, letting this happen

Doin nothin, He'd be in need of a slappin

-Insane Clown Posse, Where's God?

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