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The ending to any movie where the good guy tears through an army of bad guys just to spare the main bad guy.
Kill em. Don't just kill em but drag it out. This person made you angry enough to kill a hundred people. There's no reason whatsoever you wouldn't take out every last bit of rage on them. Even after they're dead. Paste that mfer.
Spoilers, just by mentioning names, frankly, but y'all should've known that going into this thread.
The Archer TV series does this a lot, but
Season 11, Episode 7 personifies mocking this trope.
Mystery men (1999)
also caught me off guard with how many people died.
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. I would probably have to just rewrite the entire movie.
Or trilogy
I thought the first one was alright. The second one seemed to have it's moments but was overall underwhelming. Rise of Skywalker was so bad I couldn't even finish it. It was a good year before I could force myself to sit through to the end... I think my breaking point was when I realized every time they got into trouble Rey would suddenly "discover" she had a new superpower that has never even been mentioned before
How was the first one alright? Not attacking, just curious.
To me, it came off as just a more infantile version of A New Hope.
Example 1: Darth Vader gets pissed and dudes get choked to death, even through video chat. Kylo gets pissed off and makes life hell for some IT guy by trashing his computer.
Example 2: Why build a moon-sized space station that blows up one planet, when you can make a planet-sized space station that can blow up 7?
I mean, I get the appeal of the explosions and effects and stuff, but in terms of story, it was just the same, but with none of the payoff of the original story. They even tried to steal the big reveal of the relationship between Vader and Luke by revealing the relationship between Kylo and Leia/Han.
Edit: And I totally agree with the Rey issue. I guess that's called a Mary Sue in writing.
By "alright" I suppose I mean it was the least objectionable of the three... I didn't have any major issues with it other than it was kind of boring and seemed like it was a little too reliant on nostalgia instead of doing anything that was really new or innovative in any way. I watched it, I didn't hate it, but I haven't felt any great urge to ever watch it again.
Got it. Thanks for the reply. Ya know, thinking back, I have to agree. Of the three newest films, it was the most enjoyable. But oh man, I almost walked out of the theater when they were having to arch laser shots in space like there was air resistance or something. On par with the snake in Harry Potter that winked. Snakes don't have eyelids!
I'd rewrite the ending of The Force Awakens so that they don't destroy Starkiller Base at the end. Instead they'd just damage it heavily or somehow disable it. A victory for the rebels, but now we have a story for the next movies.
Then the second movie would then have to be rewritten to be about the First Order trying to repair Starkiller Base, perhaps they need some rare resource or something, and the rebels are trying to stop them. We get a bunch of space battles and AT-AT walkers and stuff.
The third movie would then also have to be rewritten. The First Order has got the thing working again, so the rebellion would get to destroy it for good this time. More space battles, lightsaber fights, and big explosions.
Really, the problem the sequel trilogy had is that they didn't know what to do with it. The Force Awakens ended up as a soft reboot of A New Hope, which is why we got a third Deathstar. But then they blow it up at the end of the first movie, which puts them in a bind as now they really don't know what to do with the next two movies. What now, a fourth Deathstar? At least this would give some sort of overarching story for the trilogy, rather than the making-it-up-as-we-go mess that we ended up with.
Really, the problem the sequel trilogy had is that they didn't know what to do with it. The Force Awakens ended up as a soft reboot of A New Hope, which is why we got a third Deathstar. But then they blow it up at the end of the first movie, which puts them in a bind as now they really don't know what to do with the next two movies. What now, a fourth Deathstar? At least this would give some sort of overarching story for the trilogy, rather than the making-it-up-as-we-go mess that we ended up with.
Yeah, it's quite clear no one planned out a story arc for the trilogy and it suffered greatly because of it. I really like The Force Awakens and I bought The Last Jedi for £1 to almost complete the set. I'm waiting to find Rise of Skywalker in a charity shop for 50p to compete the set, don't know if I'll watch it again though. 😄
Don’t Look Up: have the plan to privatize the asteroid defense operation actually work. The people refusing to look up think they were right and refuse to acknowledge how much danger they were in. So even if the world is saved, no lessons are learned and nothing is made better.
Feel like that would fit the climate change/COVID metaphor better.
How would that fit the climate change metaphor? That implies we are actually fixing climate change.
Ya that would make it closer to something like the Ozone layer problem. But even then, I think that was fixed with government regulations, not privatizing things.
Because the fix in the movie is really a bandaid. It was provided by a private party for profit, and next time if it’s not profitable, it won’t work.
I mean, it’s not like individual people can stop a doomsday asteroid, so the metaphor kind of breaks anyway. But there is a bit of an assumption in the environmental sense that technology will somehow solve our problems when the real problem is us.
The ozone problem only got fixed because in that case there was a 1:1 replacement to the offending technology. There isn’t a 1:1 replacement to fossil fuels. It will almost certainly require some kind of societal change.
Special triangles should have appeared to help everyone instead.
The best example of a movie I have on that I mostly enjoyed except the ending is Wonder Woman.
They could keep the CGI-filled studio mandated fight if they want, but then make Diana realize it's not making both sides stop fighting each other. They just keep on going.
Here's a how I would do it without any further thought but the 30 seconds I spent writing this comment: There's a zoom in on Aries as he laughs, telling her he told her so, it wasn't him, before he disappears, saying he'll return, empowered by the endless war of humans. Diana realizes she can't punch her way out of this one, and she'll have to use love (it's a classic WW theme), love for humans to make them see the love for each other. Love isn't easy, it takes time. So she's going to have to stick around in the world and fight the long fight, this won't be a single villain she can kick the butt of.
Idk, something like that. Point is, the whole end fight scene shouldn't imply war is caused by a single evil Greek god.
A.I., the 2001 movie.
David (the robot kid) is trapped underwater repeatedly asking the statue to make him a real boy. His batteries eventually run out and everything goes dark. Tragic. Credits roll.
Everything that happened after that in the actual movie involving the far future with the aliens or whatever that was ends up on the editing room floor.
Really, I've never seen movie that end like that.
I would really have liked Hardcore Henry to end abruptly with us just meant to assume he was shot and died
Edge of Tomorrow, I'd swap the crappy end credits music for something that doesn't ruin the last shot
I feel bad about it, but I find myself more and more often wishing a main character would die in die end, because I'm tired of all these forced happy endings and how the main character is somehow always the one that miraculously comes away unscathed.
Serenity, Wash. (too soon ? :)
It's always too soon for the leaf on the wind to settle on the ground
The Whale has a terrible ending
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He tries walking for his estranged, newly connected daughter and in this huge climactic moment he's having a heart attack and then he just looks up and goes "UHH" and that's the end. That's it. Look up -> UHH -> end.
I think a better ending would be him and then dying slowly in the hospital with some kind of heartfelt conversation with his daughter and then die.spoiler
having the heart attack
Well, somebody already posted my choice which would be episodes 7, 8, and 9, so I'm going with the next thing that popped into my head and ignore part of the question and that this is a movies sub.
With that said, my answer is How I Met Your Mother, because it still angers and disappoints me years after watching the show. Fuck you writers, it's not all about Robin. Such a legend - wait for it - dary show ruined right at the end.
Nymphomaniac: Vol. II. When she turns the light off, the movie should've ended.
The Fantastic Voyage. Or Journey. I forget the name. It's a movie where they shrink a submarine down and put it inside someone to do surgery. Pretty neat premise. Like a lot of older movies the ending is flat. It ends the moment they get the submarine out of the body. It would've been nice to have them make it large again and exit and show the person waking up. Imagine if Star Wars ended the moment the Death Star exploded or Return of the King the moment the ring is destroyed. Those are the best comparisons I can make to what this feels like.
Also, I'd change Encanto so the family doesn't get their powers back.
Star Wars Return of the Jedi
Luke dies but still manages to kill the Emperor, the Rebels fail at destroying Death Star 2 Electric Boogaloo because Han dies and Leia ends captured, thus the shield generator is never destroyed and no run towards the core happens. Vader survives, crowning himself the new emperor. This immediately fixes the sequel trilogy by making it null and void
Once upon a time in the West
Cheyenne is not that baddly wounded Harmonica bring him back to Miss McBain and they start an happy trouple in the farm.
Oh and Cheyenne's gang is now an worker-owned cooperative that finish building Sweetwater
That movie need at least one more hour
After the Dark
Cut the film after the students return the textbooks. Don't need anything after that.
Could it be a TV series?
I fucking hate the ending of How I Met Your Mother. I've watched the series 6 times in total, but has only watched the last episode ONCE!
Always skipped the last episode, some time I even skipped the last 2 episodes.
The alternate ending is still the superior (and IMO canon) ending.
I’d still prefer they not throw away and waste Robin & Barney’s emotional growth, as well.
Isn't the alternative ending is "fan made", is it not?
If it was released by the official channel then you're right it's canon.
The alternate ending was official, and was released as a Special Feature on the DVD box set. So IMO it’s the canon ending, and the originally aired one was just a fever dream following a bad ‘sandwich’.
You could change the ending of Fight Club to match the book but I think that would piss people off.
From what I remember, only one scene of the book didn't make the film, the narrator and Tyler original meet on a beach. Also, a running theme is that the narrator can't quite remember how to make home made explosives, he keeps getting the recipe wrong.
So at the end, when they're going to blow up the credit card headquarters, nothing happens because the explosives are dud.
The Mist i think it was called. After the dumb folk pass by the main character in the army truck, a giant alien creature steps on it and kills them all, accidentally.
@Blaze It comes out of nowhere, and its only narrative purpose is to further brutalize Joe. I'm pretty sure I see the point von Trierwas going for, but that nothing hints at it in the lead up makes it land more like hollow shock factor than disturbingly poignant.
It's even more of an issue as Seligman is the rare explicit asexual character, and his action plays into the harmful idea that asexuals are just lying about their sexuality.
Knives is the superior choice to Ramona.
Damn, that's a take.
Not going to argue for/against, but she was under-age - and even as a flawed antagonist, Scott probably shouldn’t be doing that.
Sex and the City 2
I'd move the ending to just right before the start so it's over before it even begins.
Us by Jordan Peele. It's a great movie, but that ending scene is terrible. They don't need to insist so much to make sure that the dumb viewer gets it... It's heavily hinted during the last few scenes, and letting the viewer wondering alongside the terrified son who his mother really his, and who we'd like her to be, would be so much more impactfull.
Also Rec by Jaume Balaguerò and Paco Plaza for similar reasons. The movie spends it's entirerity building this unseen menace, and establishing a terrifying ambiance, and then for some reasons right at the end, just before they let us alone with our thoughts after the movie, decides they should undo it all and give us the "oh actually it's just this guy who summoned this demon" ending.
I thought the first three RECs were fine with the lore, it was only REC 4 that overexplained it, and somehow raised more questions as well.