Sound off, king. You got good points. :)

Made me wonder: how likely would it be that a modern ginkgo could not reproduce with an ancient one?

"Living fossils", still reproducing and subject to evolution, but it's interesting that they still look like the fossils we find of them.

I don't know how many are actually afflicted with the misunderstanding that these living fossils are individually as old as the fossils we find of their ancestors, but I think "they basically haven't changed" and "even through the pressures of evolution which they are definitely not exempt from, they have retained most of their features because they still work" are close enough for a layman.

There's a kind of half truth to that, in that a trait already developed is unlikely to simply disappear. Even if it becomes vestigial, it will probably stick around until something forces it out.

Thus we get whale and snake hips, ecidna eggs, human ear muscles, and so on. All can tell us of the conditions in the past, and it would usually be more difficult to remove them entirely as opposed to simply not getting very big.

Reminds me of the "nature always evolves into crabs" or some such meme where there's a few examples of convergent evolution of the general crab form.

Oh yeah there's an entire article on it ofc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation

So, you're telling me my plan to measure atmospheric oxygen isotope trends over geologic time by grinding up sharks is bust?

say that to Pando's face not online see what happens

Thanks! I legit never thought about it that way having spent all my time in the bit less wrong camp till now.

Yup - I went to Temple University and the whole sidewalk from the train station to campus was lined with these. The leaves are beautiful but the berries are just horrendous. We called them shitberries. It was really hard to avoid them and sometimes you'd step on one, and end up apologizing the rest of the day because that stench sticks around.

I think they got rid of those trees. The students now don't know what they're missing out on!

Ginkgos are dioecious, so there are boy trees and girl trees. The girls produce the fruit, so they are rarely planted.

My college had a single female ginkgo tree, known sort-of-affectionately as The Poo Tree to most on campus.

This unintended consequences aspect is rearing its head where I live - they planted hundreds or thousands of gum trees that are now mature and each one drops shittons and shittons of spikey gum balls every fall - but about 20% don't come out of the trees and just rot on the limb. You can't even rake them out. And the 80% that do come down kill the grass and clog the gutters and drains. It's a real shit show.

Im still baffled that Seoul in South Korea has so many fruiting Gingko trees. They make the whole city smell like an open sewer and I couldn’t stand it.

It should be "horror they would wreak", but honestly yours fits the context pretty good too!

The ones in my local park fruit and it does smell super bad. The trees also take like 20 years before they can start fruiting.

monsanto iirc

God, duh. Or... aliens.

I posted this as a reply to another comment from a user on another instance, but your instance doesn't allow you to see hexbear, so I'll reply here too.

Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate using the word design that way. However, it's not completely wrong, it's almost more a problem of the baggage that the word design carries, obviously "intelligent design" as a concept for evolution is bullshit and if you can't separate the concept of "design" from intent then you're still just as wrong. All that said, I think it's fair to talk about species being designed, there is just absolutely zero intent involved anywhere,* with no forethought, or any "thought" at all from the designer. A species is "designed" entirely by the forces of circumstance. The material conditions, if you will, of their environment.

Lemmy seems to have inherited all the snark of Reddit, with very little of the 'random expert reads post and chimes in with cool anecdote' that Reddit used to have. I miss that.

ITT: Forums, physical and digital, since forever.

But trilobites have been extinct for over 250 million years.