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[–] anyhow2503 222 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Is there a source for these haughty, cackling archeologists making fun of hairdressers or is that just to manufacture some kind of underdog victory scenario?

[–] [email protected] 106 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Stephens

Meme is dramaticised of course.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

That's really funny

[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Option number 2

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-woman-is-a-hair-style-archaeologist-82478448/

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago

The latter. "everybody clapped" clickbait.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you want an actual example of a haughty, cackling asshole ignoring a woman's expertise, this clip of Joe Rogan will make your blood boil

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

a haughty, cackling asshole ignoring a woman's expertise

Boy howdy, that's a spot-on description. Never listened to him because I expected it to be trash; but I didn't realize the situation was so dire

Motherfucker leans into sensationalism and shock-value, because he'll be forgotten as soon as he shuts the fuck up—and of course he won't have any useful skills to hold a job with real value afterward. Fucking cowardly shits, afraid to work on something of substance when the fame/infamy runs dry

So yeah, it indeed made my blood boil a little lol. Wish I could say it was mostly pity for him being so... dumb? But nah, that's a person acting like garbage and should be treated as such (until proven otherwise)

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love this story because just imagine the setup.

All the top world archaeologists are in the biggest archaeology summit trying to figure this out. The queer son of the most famous archaeologist was visiting because his dad was trying to make him a real man and follow science instead of fashion. He takes a look at the poorly design slides being project and makes a snarky remark. "they're definitely sewed 💀😭💅". But everyone made fun of him so he took it personally. The next day he came back with an exact replica of the hair style sewed on his bestie's hair. In awe, everyone got up and clapped. The kid's name? Albert fucking Einstein.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Not sure whether you meant to express disbelief or just to be silly, but you did make me wonder if this meme was legit or not. It is!

[–] [email protected] 114 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but also:

And the journals quickly recognized her expertise.

So no crying historians in that story. She researched, proposed an article and the community said: "Good idea!" The whole "Oh, all those fine scientists laughed about the average joe/jane!" is just a common tale in those stories.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

It's a common conservative thing to own the libs.

Also wasn't so fast:

Through trial and error she found that she could achieve the hairstyle by sewing the braids and bits together, using a needle. She dug deeper into art and fashion history books, looking for references to stitching.

In 2005, she had a breakthrough. Studying translations of Roman literature, Ms. Stephens says, she realized the Latin term “acus” was probably being misunderstood in the context of hairdressing. Acus has several meanings including a “single-prong hairpin” or “needle and thread,” she says. Translators generally went with “hairpin.”

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Wow, that's some serious anthropology, that's awesome!

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Imagine asking a subject matter expert. What a concept!

[–] Anticorp 46 points 5 months ago (7 children)

And then discounting their opinion.

[–] AngryCommieKender 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As an IT guy, a chef, and a jack of all trades and master of few, that happens far more often than I would care to admit. I have literally had people tell me, "Well, yes you know more about [blank} than anyone I've ever met, but your analysis doesn't {make line go up] so it must be wrong, because [line must always go up.}

Fucking Jack Welsh. I wish I could build a time machine and shoot that shortsighted asshole between the eyes just before he laid off his first GM employee in the name of imaginary profit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

...then retired and receive the biggest severance package in history up to that point (417 million in 2001).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I'm an Analyst. The amount of times I've had to tell people how their business works based on the data they had me analyse and prove their own preconceptions wrong...

"I was under the impression it should work that way"
Great! I'll whip up a report showing just how often it doesn't.
"Those are edge cases"
They make up about 35%
"Can we filter them from the final report?"
Then your figures will be way off and I get to justify the error when inevitably someone spots it and will blame the data for it. Fix the issue in the source, if you don't want it screwing up your numbers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Yup, that's the imaginary part of the story.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Same vibes as this video with Adam Savage. Apparently this piece of armour was a big mystery with tons of different drawings etc trying to place it as horse armour when Adam almost immediately correctly identifies it when first looking at it.

This is the power of diverse experience where experts can have a blind spot that's easily solved by others that have a different perspective.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Tldw crotch protector, and the historians did know that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well it took them 50 years to figure out, whereas Adam guessed it immediately.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Didn't they confirm it after 50 years? They had suspicions in different directions, including crotch armor?

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"Historical hairdressing tutorials based on archaeological research and primary sources."

https://www.youtube.com/@jntvstp

Janet Stephens; that's her. i knew i kept that yt subscription for a reason

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is why you go to subject matter experts.

/Software development rant

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

Some of the hairstyles by Janet Stevens.

There's a video that shows more, but there're advertisements and it's irritating.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

GLAM = Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (14 children)

So wigs, not mittens.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'd trust a hairdresser when it comes to hair questions… EDIT: Turns out in real life, they did trust the hairdresser, the fact about sewing is true but the overall story is dramatized.

Bad at styling my long hair but I have definitely tried and from what I did in the few hair tutorials I followed, and from knitting, I absolutely believe that making these complicated, pretty, structured knots/loops was done by sewing.

[–] Etterra 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess there had to be a way to have fake-ass hair extensions before plastic was invented.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I read that as "Ass-hair extensions"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Xkcd is always and forever relevant

https://xkcd.com/37/

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[–] RampantParanoia2365 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

....am I missing something? These are stone. They're carved. How did they know these were real styles used with people, and not fantastical for the statues?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't fit with the artistical trends of the times... It's not a bad hypothesis, but if that was a trend the hair is not the only feature that could be imagined.

Now I can't stop picturing archeologists unearthing an anime bust.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

How do you sew hair?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Haven't black women been doing this forever? My coworkers talk about sew-in weaves and shit all the time.