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Activists from around the country told The Intercept that they will advocate for an anti-war agenda at the convention in August and withhold their vote in November unless an adequate candidate steps up, listing policy priorities such as support for a permanent ceasefire and standing up to the pro-Israel lobby as it intervenes in Democratic primaries. Even as the Biden campaign insists that he will not step aside, many Democrats appear to be lining up behind Vice President Kamala Harris as an alternative candidate, with some Democratic governors being floated as well.

“My number one criteria for any candidate is opposing the genocide in Gaza,” said Saad Farooq, an uncommitted voter in Massachusetts. Farooq said it was unlikely that the Democratic National Committee would select any candidate who took a stance against Israel’s ongoing war, and that he would support Green Party candidate Jill Stein if she were to appear on the ballot in Massachusetts.

Will Dawson, an uncommitted voter in Washington, D.C., named several factors that could get him to switch his vote from the Green Party’s Stein to another politician. First on his list is a promise to call for an immediate ceasefire and fighting the influence of the pro-Israel lobby and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in Congress.

“This candidate would also ideally work toward pulling further away from the Israeli colonial project over time, with the goal being repealing our absurd financial support, ending the foreign interest agency of AIPAC, and pushing for a nation-wide boycott a la [South Africa] during their apartheid,” Dawson wrote.

The candidate would also have to push to reform the Supreme Court, he added. “The candidate would have to promise to both push for justice impeachment, and expand the courts,” Dawson said.“If a replacement candidate met both of these requirements, I would absolutely consider switching my vote from Jill Stein. Hell, I might even knock doors/canvass for them!”

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[–] fubo 58 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Nothing is improved by Trump being elected; for Gazans , for Israelis, for Americans, or anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

If Trump gets elected, he'd show Israel what real genocide looks like.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah anyone who is uncommitted because of Gaza, either was never gonna vote, or is lying to pollsters and is manipulating polls.

[–] givesomefucks 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Which is why we need to run a candidate with a shot of beating trump...

It's too important of an election to let Joe have one more go out of nostalgia.

It would be easiest for everyone if he stepped aside, but he's not willing to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It blows my mind that people can argue that Trump is the worst possible outcome for our country and the world, and then follow that up with "we need a candidate that can beat Trump". If everyone knows what is at stake (democracy), how is Biden not capable of beating Trump? Do people think that not voting, or voting 3rd party is going to somehow keep Trump out of the white house? Anything but a vote for Biden (or whoever ends up on the ticket opposite Trump) is who everyone needs to vote for, or they have chosen Trump and doomed us all.

[–] givesomefucks 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Do you think it's easier to convince 10s of millions of voter's minds?

Or get Joe Biden to understand that polls show people don't want him and that the best thing he can do to prevent trump is step aside.

Seriously.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Please provide some evidence to support your claim that the best thing Biden can do to prevent Trump getting elected is to step aside.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The post-debate Data for Progress poll tested the odds of eight Democrats who have been floated as possible alternatives to Biden, including Vice President Kamala Harris and multiple Democratic governors. Biden’s self-proclaimed advantage is tempered by the lack of name recognition — so far — for the other options. Aside from Harris, prospective voters were so unfamiliar with these Democratic leaders that between 39 and 71 percent* *of respondents said they hadn’t heard enough about them to have an opinion. Even so, each potential candidate performed the same or even better than Biden.

From this article and Link to the poll

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You kind of buried the lede there:

Overall, these results show that voters continue to be concerned about Biden’s age — but there is not yet clear evidence that an alternative nominee would significantly outperform him against Trump in a head-to-head matchup.

That's evidence that some candidates poll similarly to Biden.

That's not evidence the best thing Biden can do to stop Trump from becoming president is drop out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Didn’t really bury it because I don’t agree with that analysis and it’s not part of the poll.

If they’re polling similar to him with 39%-71% of the people not knowing who the candidate is that means their floor is where Biden is.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Something something, warm water ports

[–] AbidanYre 3 points 4 months ago

Do you think anyone on this forum has a direct line to Biden?

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[–] jumjummy 4 points 4 months ago

Oh look. Same person who shows up at any anti-Biden post trying to convince people not to vote for Biden, but stops just short of saying they want Trump to win.

Let’s see all your “genocide Joe” type of comments directed to all the GOP members in Congress who happily support Israel’s efforts.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Gaza is not on the ballot. Democracy is. End of discussion.

Gonna be a whole lot of Pikachu face on progressive faces.

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[–] morphballganon 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In other words, people who are uncommitted at this stage are absolute morons.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

And a danger to themselves and everybody else.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

What the fuck is wrong with people. Number one criteria for president is dealing with a small scale civil/proxy war.

Meanwhile in Sudan, Ukraine, China, Myanmar, etc. there are millions more people being killed/impacted by genocidal governments and these don't even make the list of anyone giving a shit when it comes to presidential choice.

Meanwhile the entire world economy is falling apart for the average person.

Meanwhile there's a drug epidemic (somewhat related to the last one) killing around 100,000 Americans a year.

If your number one criteria is the Palestinian war you are either Palestinian(totally okay) or you have no idea how to prioritize your life in a rational manner and should not be allowed to vote.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

I think it should be pretty clear, right? It’s different because America is helping them commit genocide. It’s not like this is all happening separately from us and people are calling for some kind of foreign intervention, they’re asking that we stop helping the people doing a genocide.

That’s not to say it’s my only priority this election, but it’s definitely up there, because I, like many Americans, feel like I’m complicit to some degree.

Make no mistake, though, Trump would be far worse. I still know the score here, but I can understand why it ranks highly on people’s priorities.

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[–] HomerianSymphony 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

If your number one criteria is the Palestinian war you are either Palestinian(totally okay) or you have no idea how to prioritize your life in a rational manner and should not be allowed to vote

No longer will I need to wonder how the Germans let the Holocaust happen.

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[–] givesomefucks 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

Do you think Palestine is in Europe?

And why are you calling a genocide a war? Because the victims have been resisting?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

During the debate Trump said that Israel would finish the job with him elected. In my eyes that's more/less try to eradicate the Palestinians.

.. how can there still be people who think not voting for Biden is a better bet for Gaza? Like really: open your eyes.

You'd prefer to either not vote, vote third party (throw your vote away), or vote for someone who has more or less said they'd continue to support killing innocent people.

Biden isn't great but is more likely to aim for a ceasefire and some sort of peace than Trump.

It's the lesser of evils.

.. of course voting for Trump is likely pushing the US towards fascism as well, but I'll ignore that for this (and him being a felon, accused rapist, advocate for the wealthy at the expense of all others, liar, etc) specific comment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

“I’m going to show my anger by making things exponentially worse for myself! That’ll show them!”

[–] Ensign_Crab 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"We need to move to the right to pick up undecided voters"

"Undecided voters want to stop supporting Netanyahu's genocide."

"Man, fuck undecided voters. No one needs them. They're all morons. Let's ignore them and move to the right."

[–] MonkRome 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

It's not that simple, if gaining undecided votes comes at the cost of more votes than they gain then you're not going to win. That has been the struggle of the Dems for decades on every progressive issue.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The choice between a kindly old man that's trying to get two sides that want war to agree to a ceasefire and a criminal, authoritarian, mean, and petty old man that will just tell one side to bomb the other into oblivion... civilian casualties be damned.

If people are "uncommitted" it's because they don't know what's going on.

[–] III 5 points 4 months ago

It's because they are liars and don't actually care about that issue at all. If they were truly concerned they would see the situation in front of them and make the only real logical choice.

[–] ChowJeeBai 3 points 4 months ago

Oh phew. I thought people were getting encumbered with all the rape, personal failings, inciting insurrection, misuse of campaign funds, misappropriation of state secrets, hypocrisy, bringing personal feelings and emoluments into state dealings, and being generally incompetent and other unlikeable things. Priorities, people! /s

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