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[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Huh I keep hearing the economy is actually doing well. I guess it's just the people in the economy that are suffering.

[–] QuarterSwede 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Basically. However there are signs that is starting to recover like places lowering their prices. Home Depot has their best Memorial Day pricing I’ve seen in years.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are the prices actually coming down? Or are they shrinking the products or selling inferior goods?

General question, not just for home depot

[–] QuarterSwede 4 points 5 months ago

That is a good question. Hadn’t noticed any obvious shrinkflation yet but I wouldn’t doubt it. Anything is possible these days.

[–] tsonfeir 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If we all just stop paying our debt, they can’t do anything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well they said "all", so more like " the gang causes a massive global financial collapse."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The solidarity issue version of the Prisoner's Dilemma: If enough of us cooperate, we can get away with it, but if we don't hit that mass, we'll get fucked for it. The strictly dominant strategy is to defect, because the outcome isn't as bad if the others defect too.

The difference is that the Prisoner's Dilemma deals in absolutes (two players with the same two choices) whereas the issue at hand has nuance (some of us have more debt, some less, some ot us can more easily shoulder the initial burden imposed by being the first to get sent to collections, the outcome doesn't strictly depend on total cooperation or even on numbers alone).

Also, the Prisoner's Dilemma assumes the prisoners have no way of communicating and no loyalty toward each other. We can communicate and coordinate.

[–] tsonfeir 4 points 5 months ago

Wooo! Is it warm in here or am I just excited.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Common interest rates of 30% plus, predatory offers, hell I get real checks in the mail from local loan companies. All you have to do is sign and deposit and you are to their ridiculous terms. The free market needs reigned in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Actually, unlike the bullshit articles we're fed that conflate the stock market and the economy... spiraling debt is a pretty serious marker of an unhealthy economy.

Granted it's a really fucking late sign and basically just indicates consumer goods are becoming out of reach price-wise.

[–] dojan 29 points 5 months ago

People not being able to afford healthcare, housing, and necessary consumer goods like food and clothing? What? This is news to me! Have they tried not eating avocado toast? If they worked 15 minutes extra per day they'd be a billionaire in a year. People these days are so lazy and entitled!

[–] RagingRobot 11 points 5 months ago

They keep the interest rate high to stop people from buying things. But the things we need to buy are food and the demand isn't going to fall. so people are using credit more than ever and they have no way to pay it back. The stocks have gone up but only because all these companies are in a position to skew us all now.

[–] TheDemonBuer 4 points 5 months ago

Consumer spending fuels economic growth...Job and wage growth helped counter the hit to consumers wallets from rising inflation, but a continued slowdown or reversal there could tip the scales...“While these indicators do not necessarily predict a recession, especially with a robust labor market, a weakening in employment conditions could exacerbate household financial instability,” said Gregory Daco, EY chief economist. “The combination of subdued job growth, sluggish income progression, and diminished savings could lead to increased delinquencies and a potential retrenchment in consumer spending.”...retail spending unexpectedly stalled in April in a sign of consumer fatigue and worry. Walmart, the nation’s largest retailer, has said its customers are spending more on necessities and less on discretionary goods like home furnishings and electronics.

Why does no one talk about the cost of housing? Housing is astronomically expensive, and the more people have to spend for housing, the less they will have to spend on everything else.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Bankruptcy for the win