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Trump pitch to oil companies turns off two-thirds of likely voters, poll finds [Saul Elbein | 05/21/24 | The Hill] (thehill.com)

submitted 4 months ago by jimmydoreisalefty to c/politics

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/15647864

Almost 6 in 10 likely voters surveyed — 58 percent — said they were “concerned” about a second Trump term after hearing about the former president’s reported offer to undo broad swaths of President Biden’s climate policies, according to polling by Data for Progress and Climate Power.

The group’s new poll surveyed 1,231 likely voters from May 10-13, with a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

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[–] dhork 56 points 4 months ago (4 children)

.... yet will vote for him anyway.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

While 42 percent of Republicans said they would reconsider voting for any politician who said what the former president reportedly did, their concern dissipated when the remarks were attributed to Trump.

On getting that piece of information, 42 percent of Republicans said they would be more likely to vote for the former president as a result, and just 12 percent that they would be less likely to vote for him.

Don't try to convince Trump voters. Just get your friends to vote, instead of staying home. Fucking vote.

I think this is also a good indicator of how loud Trump voters are. They really want to shout "Trump!" as loudly as possible, because he represents freedom from repercussions. Polls right now are balanced because Trump supporters are shouting as loud as they can. Biden voters barely pick up the phone.

Just vote. Ignore the few loud losers yelling their opinions. Vote.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 9 points 4 months ago

Good news, for Trump, is that you can still be President with 40% of the vote.

[–] disguy_ovahea 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That just shows that they still need to be informed on the 112 climate policies he repealed in his first term. He rolled back ten years of progress. Share this wherever you can.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

[+] jimmydoreisalefty -30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

True, people will continue to vote duopoly...

[–] blackbelt352 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I get thar duopoly sucks but that is the final end state of FPTP voting.

So until we implement a more fair voting system and eliminate the electoral college or rework it so that electors are divided closest to the population vote across all 50 states and numbers reworked to accurately reflect populations, we're stuck with voting for the electors to hopefully choose the less shitty option.

[–] RampageDon 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

First Past the Post in case anyone doesn't know what FPTP stands for. It's the type of voting we have in the US.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's also not ever going to change because it would take a constitutional amendment and the last fucking thing we need is a constitutional convention when the GOP controls close to 2/3 of states. It could only make everything worse.

[–] Boddhisatva 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

An amendment could also be proposed if two thirds of both houses request it. Of course, that would be cutting their own throats so they won't do that. Even if it did, the amendment would have to be "ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification." So, yeah, not gonna happen.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Yeah the current best bet is to pass RCV in as many states as possible. Which while it may fracture both parties I suspect it would most effect the Republicans since they are reliant on single issue voters. Said sibgle issue viters could be for example pulled towards a pro-gun socialist for example.

[–] Serinus 16 points 4 months ago

These people also pretend they've never heard of primaries. I get that it's slightly less applicable this year, *because everyone agrees the incumbency advantage is too big to give up".

I would have voted against Biden in the primary if anyone had a chance against him. I love what Biden's been doing, especially with the worst Congress in my lifetime, but they're both just too old.

[–] WhatIsThePointAnyway 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Have you ever even been in a system with three or more party rule? They rarely have a majority. They typically have to form coalition governments with other parties. Democracies are compromise. It’s never one party elected and everything just changes. That only happens in authoritarian systems and LOTS of people are murdered to accomplish this. FDR had 4 terms and didn’t get half of what he fought for accomplished with some of the highest approval ratings ever. It took the right 50+ years of dismantling power structures to get us here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Useless article after you read this:

"The polling numbers come with an enormous asterisk: Many voters responded very differently when it was not just an anonymous politician but Trump, who remains enormously popular among Republicans.

While 42 percent of Republicans said they would reconsider voting for any politician who said what the former president reportedly did, their concern dissipated when the remarks were attributed to Trump.

On getting that piece of information, 42 percent of Republicans said they would be more likely to vote for the former president as a result, and just 12 percent that they would be less likely to vote for him."

So as usual God Emporer Trump™ can do no wrong. They probably thought the "anonymous politician" was referring to Biden...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

We already know most die hard republicans won't turn on trump, it's the centrists and independents who are important. And turnout. If there is a large Dem turnout they win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

12% of republicans is enough. If half that many vote for the libertarian party in Texas, and the other half switch to Joe, that's the entire election.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Republicans are NOT in a Cult but they DO support LITERALLY EVERYTHING TRUMP DOES even if they don't actually support what Trump does!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In what world is 58% two thirds?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

58% is pretty close to 60% so may as well just make it 6/10 for neatness

6/10 is pretty close to 6/9 so may as well make it 2/3 for neatness

Pi also equals 3

Source: am an engineer

[–] Feathercrown 5 points 4 months ago

7/12 was too weird for a headline