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[–] Dabundis 51 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Welcome to 2024 where we announce the possibility of an upcoming announcement.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Well there are multiple reports and a trademark that sounds related, so it's something.

[–] Doof 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is not a modern thing…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

"So you are saying there is a chance"

[–] ampersandrew 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully the last game Id makes before Microsoft closes them is a good one.

[–] vikingtons 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Kind of sad how the proprietor of DirectX owns one of the best Vulkan API game engine implementations in the industry.

[–] Decq 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Almost like it's some kind of coincidence!

[–] vikingtons 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It'd be telling if later iterations of idtech (should it continue to develop) switch away from Vulkan on desktops.

Would be a difficult move considering how ruthlessly performant it is at present.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It may be but the engine team is mostly Ex-Crytek folks carrying over from Carmack's work with OpenGL. Even the Raytracing support is just a Vulkan Extension. They could change gears.

[–] vikingtons 1 points 6 months ago

Appreciate the insight

[–] Wootz 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Nah.

2016 was brilliant for its minimalism. No plot needed, no introduction, just tight combat and metal.

You don't improve on that with more mechanics, more plot and more MTX.

[–] Yawweee877h444 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I mostly agree with you. Except there was plot and lore in 2016, it was just minimalist as you said, but more importantly it was executed really well. It had the "doom" feel. In addition to awesome gameplay and soundtrack.

Eternal was great for the gameplay, and even an improvement in some ways. The lore and plot was ridiculous though. Way overdone, didn't feel like doom.

I say go back to 2016 style with the gameplay improvements of eternal.

[–] Wootz 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

No plot needed.

To me the essence of 2016 is the scene in the beginning where an info screen tries to dump exposition on you and you chuck it into a wall.

There is plot, but you don't need to pay attention to it. Doomguy is angry and needs to kill demons.

To me a big fumble in Eternal was trying to explain why doomguy is angry and so good at killing. He's like an inverse Cthulhu, terrifying, unknowable and mysterious. Trying to explain or understand him breaks the basis for the character.

On gameplay, I didn't mind the changes, but I thought the embellishments were a little on the nose. The technicolor rainbow explosion of ammo when you chainsaw someone, and the increased focus on using abilities to replenish resources scream "This is a video game!" in a over the top way that I felt took away from the immersion and grit that I associate with Doom.

[–] Bosht 2 points 6 months ago

Agreed on all points. I tried getting into Eternal a couple times and still haven't finished it. It's more than likely a good game but it doesn't have the flow of the first.

[–] Yawweee877h444 2 points 6 months ago

Yep, agree to agree here. I just thought the gameplay improvements in eternal were fun. But I agree the way you put it, kind of a departure from what doom should be.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The lore and plot was ridiculous though. Way overdone, didn't feel like doom.

As opposed to a screen dissolve followed by a wall of text? I thought it was fine.

I didn't finish the DLC if it started going off the rails there, though.

[–] Yawweee877h444 6 points 6 months ago

Nah my comparison is to 2016. I just thought it was overdone in eternal to the point of silliness. Subjective opinion obviously.

It wasn't all bad though. The introduction to the "evil twin" doomguy was kinda fun. So if no DLC you missed that at least.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

No mick gordon (I'm assuming) just hurts my soul

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I felt like the decision to make jumping and mobility more a factor in Eternal hurt it a lot. Jumping puzzles and jumping mechanics in FPS games don't really work for a lot of reasons (see: Half-Life) and it made the levels feel much more linear than 2016, the arenas much more smaller and less mobile. id did invent this genre, and even they can't make it work. What does that tell you?

Also the changing of the ammo metaelements to prioritize chainsawing felt dumb. Having to pinata every so often was the most obvious thing that felt straight up wrong compared to 2016, and that's a sign of a garbage core loop.

The writing was pretty good, but I have the attention span of a summer ant when I play Doom.

[–] VindictiveJudge 1 points 6 months ago

Eternal actually made my hands hurt. Still haven't gotten very far in it. Having to constantly cycle weapons, jump, dash, and do precision shooting, often all at the same time, was murder on my hands.

[–] Eigerloft 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It'll be interesting to see who they got to compose the music, and if they try to imitate Mick Gordon's style or go a different direction.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Bobby Prince. Now that would be a treat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Chat gpt, make a soundtrack that sounds like mick gordon

[–] Lanusensei87 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The DLC composers did a good job IMO.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Andrew Hulshult and Chad Mossholder. They do good work.

[–] vikingtons 1 points 6 months ago

big fan of Hulshult's work on IDKFA, DUSK and Prodeus. Would love to see them directly involved with DOOM.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I have a nasty feeling it’s going to be like Halo without Marty O’Donnell - bland music that is completely and utterly forgettable.

[–] yokonzo 12 points 6 months ago

I don't care. AAA games have burned me too many times, I'm done with the hype

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm still sore about what they did to Mick Gordon.

REMEMBER WHEN THEY LAST MADE A THIRD DOOM GAME AND IT, WELL, its not memorable in any way imaginable. And I liked Doom 3.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Wait for the kernel level anti cheat to be revealed before you get hyped.

[–] Katana314 3 points 6 months ago

Careful, if it’s only good enough to be GOTY that could get them fired. Gotta aim for them GTA 7 levels of success.

[–] Vipsu 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If its a single player focused with no (or very minimal) live service bullshit then great.
If not then well there's bunch of indie or classic boomer shooters I've not yet tried that are just that.

[–] EarWorm 2 points 6 months ago

I hate these headlines. Fucking Half Life 3 could be announced.