They desperately tried to bait the audience with Abba just to show us the worst deep fake in human history and letting some previous ESC winners (including Conchita Wurst) perform Waterloo on stage.

(Did I miss anything?)

[–] [email protected] 65 points 6 months ago (1 children)

pro-palestine

Weird way to spell "people who aren't totally cool with genocide", but OK

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

Wordy but essentially yeah :')

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is the first time Joost got to do such a big event, and then he got filmed without his consent, indicating such multiple times. This happened while he was under time pressure, so he made a "threatening movement" towards the woman holding the camera. I feel like a punishment other than disqualification would've been better, this felt disproportionate.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

They made it sound like he assaulted someone ar first but it does seem to have been just a (offensive) gesture after repeatedly requesting they leave him alone.

Disproportionate is an understatement especially considering the already tense climate.

Song would have gotten good points for sure aswell.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

The assault part was complete speculation from a news website iirc.

[–] Korne127 5 points 6 months ago

He got the second place (182 out of 216 possible points, that's an insanely good result, even better than Croatia in their semi-final) in the semi-final so he would have been very likely top 5.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think so considering Windows95man did poorly

[–] Korne127 4 points 6 months ago

He got the second place (182 out of 216 possible points, that's an insanely good result, even better than Croatia in their semi-final) in the semi-final so he would have been very likely top 5. Windows95man did pretty bad in his semi-final.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I couldn’t tell myself but my wife said the other singer on stage (Henri) sung lots of false notes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Is there any publicly released footage of the incident? I only read about it in the news and if the reaction is justified imo depends on what he exactly did to her.

Taking part in such an event (sadly) often leads to a certain loss of privacy which one should be aware of. On the other hand pointing the camera on him even after him indicating he doesn't want to requires a certain amount of ignorance.

But then again, I cannot really judge the situation and need to leave that to the investigators.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nope, the Dutch broadcaster Avrotros said what happened as described above, the EBU says the story from the photographer or whatever is different, but has failed to tell us what that difference actually is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mhm I see. It's just a really shitty situation and that it happened so shortly before the main event makes it even worse. Like, if you disqualify him when he didn't do anything wrong, you face backlash and when he did in fact assault her and you still let him perform, you face backlash too.

I just hope the investigation doesn't get brushed under the carpet and that we get a better understanding of what actually happened.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So far I'm inclined to believe Joost's side of the story. Firstly because innocent until proven guilty. Secondly, because the other side doesn't tell its side of the story at all.
I think the EBU should have operated under the innocent until proven guilty assumption, especially since they now have opened a way to get rid of competition, just accuse them of assault shortly before the main event.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Did I miss anything, or wasn't Joost's performance the last contribution left, that was at least partly on politics?

(Leaving aside whatever the israeli song was about)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Croatia sang about urbanisation and the decline of the countryside.

Israel was 100% a political show no elaboration needed there.

Finland sang about no rules - anarchism.

Serbia was anti war, which is also a political position.

Then there's all the feminist and queer themes like with Ukraine, Spain and Switzerland. Arguably not political, but then again neither should be Palestinians deserving human rights.

And these are just what comes to mind off the top of my head.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Estonia just came into my mind, as it supposedly is about police harassment of homeless people.

I somehow didn't put gender identity, female- and self-empowerment into the drawer politics, though it definitely is.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

stand for Windows95man

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Windows95man was robbed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm pretty sure they brought back the jury votes to deal with Finland.

[–] Korne127 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean with brough back? Jury votes are nothing new, the split system like this exists for over a decade.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes but before that, each country decided whether their votes were by Jury or telephone. It wasn't perfect but better than a select few people deciding the winner.

[–] Deestan 16 points 6 months ago

First ever (?) entry to end up more dressed at the end of the performance than at the start start.

Like a reverse Spain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Stand for Armenia and windows95man. Both deserved better results

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I watched the show involuntarily at first but it was alright after some getting used to.

My 2 cents:

Finland should have been top 5 minimum
Ireland should have been top 3
I would have been okay with 'Baby Lasagna' to win as well

Many artists were quite interesting, queer and political - which was not something I had expected. It was a pleasure to watch with a queer poly kinky bubble :D

[–] Korne127 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You really missed out on Europapa. It got the second place in the semi-finale and would very likely been have top 5, but got disqualified because of no real reason (it's a huge scandal going on, they first suggested he hit someone, but it turned out to be wrong and he just made a "threatening gesture" at a camera after repeatingly asked not to be filmed at a time where he wasn't allowed to be filmed).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Europapa

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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[–] Linkerbaan 0 points 6 months ago

He offended the israeli so he got thrown under the bus.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

what?

[–] Deestan 63 points 6 months ago

Nemo Mettler, proud nonbinary from Switzerland, won the Eurovision.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The winner of eurovision is swiss and non binary

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

yoo, good for them, good for them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Also helps with NonBinary representation too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bambie thug was better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

They won by being 6th in jury votes, 6th in public votes and 6th overall

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

FUCK EUROVISION, I don't care if the winner's nonbinary.