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“We’re gonna end it on day one … the whole thing is crazy,” Trump said on a Philadelphia talk show.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Vote y'all. Trump will literally make every negative thing you think about this country worse.

Gaza, immigration, EPA, lgbtq rights, corpo regulations, lobbying, corruption will all get much worse under him. And that list doesn't even scratch the surface.

[–] something_random_tho 4 points 6 months ago

Vote, donate, and volunteer.

[–] elbarto777 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump would*. Not will. He lost once, he'll lose again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He's currently leading in the polls and many non Republicans sound exactly like they did in 2016 (Trump can't win)

[–] elbarto777 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For the love of all things holy. How many times do we have to repeat that Trump lost while being a sitting president? He even tried to illegally remain in power, and couldn't.

Why bring up 2016 and skip over 2020? Trump wasn't even a true politician back in 2016. Now he is, now people know how stupidly dangerous he is for the country. People wised up.

And the polls mean nothing. The press and poll makers can say "this candidate is leading by a landslide" all they want. And then in the actual election, things are more close to 50/50.

[–] givesomefucks 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately when Trump says stuff like this, he's probably being truthful

Wish I knew what it was like to believe a presidential candidate I plan to vote for tho.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If he was actually truthful he'd be talking about setting up concentration camps, but that doesn't quite fly yet. I give it a few years until the Overton Window is that far right

[–] enbyecho 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wish I knew what it was like to believe a presidential candidate I plan to vote for tho.

Do you have specific things in mind or examples of this?

Like for example, Obama talked about Universal Healthcare and making affordable healthcare a "right". I believed him and was super bummed about that and blame him for not being realistic and over-promising, but I also appreciate that the level of suckage was demonstrably less overall than with Bush. Or Trump. Many good things came to fruition.

And what I learned most of all from the Obama experience was that a candidate can be sincere in wanting something but unable to make it happen. IOW, there are serious limits on presidential power (which is good) and mid-term and local elections are in many ways far more important. I also learned that he should have appointed more federal judges and I'm glad that Biden did.

[–] Woozythebear 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obama also promised in enshrine abortion rights then never did it in his 8 years and when asked why he isn't doing it with a super majority in the house and senate he said it wasn't a high enough priority for him.

Obama went to Flint and told them their water was safe and took a big gulp from a glass of water that came from his private jet and to this day the water in Flint still isn't safe to drink.

I can go on and on about the lies Obama has told. Stop playing team sports with your politicians.

[–] enbyecho 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can be angry about not getting everything under Obama. I'm angry at him for being a neocon and blowing smoke about things he should have known he couldn't deliver.

But as always, there is a lot of context missing from your over-simplified depiction of Obama at Flint. There's a more nuanced discussion over at Vox. Your "private jet" thing is funny. Did you expect a sitting president to fly economy?

You can also be supportive of "less bad" choices such as Biden. You don't have to accept it all or think of it as a binary choice. That would be more akin to refusing to eat dinner because you didn't get the cookie you were promised first.

[–] Woozythebear -5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People like you are we never get any change in this country

[–] enbyecho 1 points 6 months ago

People like you are we never get any change in this country

LOL. We've had a lot of change. Perhaps your lifetime is too short for you to see that. From my perspective, the change is radical and for the better. It's a long way from what I'd like our country to be, but I'm a socialist and anti-capitalist. I know perfectly well that we will never be everything I hope for and that the plutocracy and the capitalist exploitation we see every day will not be over-thrown overnight... indeed, not in my life time, no matter how much protesting we do. The only way that will ever happen is slow systemic change from the ground level up.

There are 333 million people in the USA and probably as many opinions about what our politics should be. We as a nation disagree constantly over issues big and small and it's the nature of democracy that we compromise, sometimes to the point that nobody gets all of what they want but everyone, hopefully, gets some of what they want. The only thing we can do short of a dictatorship of the proletariat, is to work for the incremental gains toward a more progressive democracy, just has we have been doing for decades. I realize it may not look like it but we've made so much progress.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He will.

I hate to say it, but I think it's going to happen.

[–] TokenBoomer 6 points 6 months ago

Hate to say it, but I agree.

The good news is we’re a couple years away from bears in cars…

[–] TokenBoomer 13 points 6 months ago
[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Remember when Trump said that being president means you can kill political rivals?

[–] Custodian1623 1 points 6 months ago

His lawyer agreed with the statement while asserting a president's immunity. Did Trump say that in another instance or are you on the far end of a game of telephone?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Vote for Putin's Sock Puppet and your voting for an authoritarian regime.

[–] Godnroc 3 points 6 months ago

I know that was meant as an exaggeration, but the idea of a foreign leader hiding under the table with one arm up and a sock marked up with a marker and googly eyes is fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Where are the "vote green party" jokers now?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1238262638/lgbtq-adults-us-gallup-poll-bisexual-transgender

So you've heard it, folks! If you're within the 7.6% aligned with the LGBTQ+ community, go and vote if you don't want protections that let you be treated as actual human beings stripped away. Even half of that, 3.8% would be a massive wave of a difference in an election.

[–] wafflez 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer 3 points 6 months ago

Great list to bookmark 🔖

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago