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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obviously they are doing this to villify immigrants and discourage participation in the census, not because they actually care about who counts for the census. Citizenship requirements are intended to scare people who are citizens but often assumed to be non-citizens from participating along with the non-citizens.

[–] abrake 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It also diminishes the political power of regions where there are more undocumented immigrants by giving them less representation in the House

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

If only they didn't keep shipping all that political power to blue states just to compete for who can be the biggest turdmonger in the south

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 6 months ago

Hence their congressional inaction on immigration reform since 2013.

[–] randon31415 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

If the census was just to determine house and electoral vote distribution, I would say go for it! The states with higher number of non-citizens are normally represented by Republicans. If they want to decrease their power, great!

However, the census is also used for funding allocation for things that help noncitizens. Not counting them would screw up that.

[–] uberdroog 9 points 6 months ago

They don't want to help noncitizens at all. He'll they don't want to help anyone but themselves. Prosperity doctrine done fucked them up.

[–] FuglyDuck 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Noncitizens pay taxes, too.

What was that thing people shouted a long time ago? No taxation without representation?

Maybe they should get more substantial representation…?

[–] macarthur_park 3 points 6 months ago

What was that thing people shouted a long time ago? No taxation without representation?

Oh, they got that quote all screwed up. It should say: “No! Taxation without representation!”

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s just the opposite, actually. Most migrants are bused to sanctuary cities in Democratic states. They increase representation in the House for Democrats.

[–] randon31415 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Most migrants" or just the ones people hear about?

[–] disguy_ovahea 1 points 6 months ago

If you’re talking about illegal migrants, they have good reason to get out of red states.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/22/1171450334/two-men-shot-at-a-group-of-migrants-in-west-texas-residents-still-dont-have-answ

Speaking of Texas, they have bused over 100k migrants to Democratic sanctuary cities over the last year .

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/operation-lone-star-holds-the-line-to-defend-southern-border

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Lol, they will count each and every illegal immigrant in their red states and county's without issue or fuss, and they will turn around use their legal weight to contest the coint of each and every minority with a funny sounding name in blue states, demanding they be thoroughly investigated.

[–] uberdroog 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what they do when the numbers do not reflect their rhetoric

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Fascists just make the acceptable circle smaller and smaller.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Any time a Republican does anything, I first ask myself what a bad-faith actor would do, and it usually turns out to be that thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Some Republicans in Congress are pushing to require a citizenship question on the questionnaire for the once-a-decade census and exclude people who aren’t citizens from the count that helps determine political power in the United States.

But the proposal has set off alarms among redistricting experts, civil rights groups and Democratic lawmakers as a reprise of efforts by the Trump administration to place limits that would dramatically alter the dynamics of the census, which plays a foundational role in the distribution of political power and federal funding.

That push was seen as an effort to bolster the Republican agenda on immigration before the November elections, with Donald Trump as the party’s presumptive nominee against Democratic President Joe Biden.

Following that defeat, the government under Trump tried to discern the citizenship status of every U.S. resident through administrative records and sought to exclude people who were in the U.S. illegally from the count used for apportioning congressional seats.

“We should not reward states and cities that violate federal immigration laws and maintain sanctuary policies with increased Congressional representation,” Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson said in a statement after the vote.

If Trump becomes president, his administration could take steps to add a citizenship question without making the procedural mistakes cited by the Supreme Court in its 2019 ruling, said Jeffrey Wice, a redistricting expert.


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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“We should not reward states and cities that violate federal immigration laws and maintain sanctuary policies with increased Congressional representation,” Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson said in a statement after the vote.

We shouldn't reward states and cities that turn black people into slaves to facilitate prison gerrymandering either. The only difference between prisoners and immigrants is that Mike Johnson and his anti-American can't exploit immigrants for cheap labor the way they can with literal slaves.

So, fuck him and his fake ass concerns.

[–] uberdroog 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"The most recent time the House of Representatives gained members due to census data was after the 2020 census, which took effect in 2023. The 2020 census results led to five states gaining one seat and Texas gaining two, while seven states lost one seat. The states that gained seats were: Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina, and Oregon."

Notice these are NOT blue states.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oregon is blue..... but that's it

[–] MegaUltraChicken 3 points 6 months ago

Colorado is definitely blue at this point.