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[–] Treczoks 55 points 6 months ago (14 children)

That's the reason why most people drink pasteurized milk. Those who don't will soon find out about the dangers of raw milk.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but they will not be the only ones affected. Mutations and transmissions are not so tidy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Pasteurization is pretty effective at killing stuff. That's literally what it's meant to do.

Mutations and transmission require a vast array of infections to net appreciable results. I don't think the rare raw milk drinkers will likely be a huge problem.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sure, pasteurization works. But then there's the forest...

A multi-state outbreak of HPAI A(H5N1) bird flu in dairy cows was first reportedon March 25, 2024. This is the first time that these bird flu viruses were found in cattle. CDC confirmed one human HPAI A(H5N1) infection that had exposure to dairy cattle in Texas that were presumed to be infected with the virus. While thought to be rare, this exposure to HPAI A(H5N1) bird flu virus is the first instance of likely mammal to human transmission.

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[–] TheBat 13 points 6 months ago

Those who don't will soon find out about the dangers of raw milk.

If those tradfluencers could read they'd be very upset.

[–] jaybone 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Do they even sell raw milk in stores? I assume you need to get this straight from a farm? And I’m a bit shocked if 4.4 percent of the US is getting their milk from farms. That’s like what ~12million people?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do they even sell raw milk in stores?

The FDA bans it, so it can't cross state lines, but they don't have authority to ban stuff internal to a state. A handful of states allow raw milk from in-state cows to be sold in stores.

This article has a map.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_raw_milk_debate

[–] newthrowaway20 10 points 6 months ago

Makes me think back to 2016 When a lawmaker fought to legalize raw milk, and got sick when he drank raw milk in celebration of passing the legislation.

https://www.eater.com/2016/3/9/11186922/raw-milk-lawmakers-ill-after-drinking-raw-milk

[–] Raiderkev 5 points 6 months ago

They did at whole foods like 15 years ago when I worked there. They pulled it from the shelves I believe because of some new law. A handful of our customers got super mad about it.

[–] WilderSeek 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most people get them from farmers' markets. There are supposedly health advantages to it, but I'd assume this would be the case from buying from a smaller responsible farm over a corporate factory farm anyhow—regardless of whether it's pasteurized or not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

It's prolly got some shit they'd call pro-biotic, which will help while their gut flora are eating their corpse.

[–] Sarmyth 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

They sure do! And it's outrageously expensive.

[–] Treczoks 5 points 6 months ago

Yea, they consider it "more healthy" and "more natural" than pasteurized milk. The same kind of people who heal with prayers or crystals and read horoscopes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Back in my day, people read articles instead of just looking at the title and commenting on it.

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[–] MyPornViewingAccount 48 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Get fuckin hyped for the end of the world, maybe it'll finish us off this time.

No more of these half measures

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

u/MyPornViewingAccount

This ~~is not~~ shouldn't be considered porn

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Mammal-to-mammal transmission raises new concerns about the virus's ability to spread.

On March 16, cows on a Texas dairy farm began showing symptoms of a mysterious illness now known to be H5N1 bird flu. Their symptoms were nondescript, but their milk production dramatically dropped and turned thick and creamy yellow. The next day, cats on the farm that had consumed some of the raw milk from the sick cows also became ill. While the cows would go on to largely recover, the cats weren't so lucky. They developed depressed mental states, stiff body movements, loss of coordination, circling, copious discharge from their eyes and noses, and blindness. By March 20, over half of the farm's 24 or so cats died from the flu. ...

The early outbreak data from the Texas farm suggests the virus is getting better and better at jumping to mammals, and data from elsewhere shows the virus is spreading widely in its newest host. On March 25, the US Department of Agriculture confirmed the presence of H5N1 in a dairy herd in Texas, marking the first time H5N1 had ever been known to cross over to cows. Since then, the USDA has tallied infections in at least 34 herds in nine states: Texas, Kansas, Michigan, New Mexico, Idaho, Ohio, South Dakota, North Carolina, and Colorado.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In the meantime, it's definitely not the time to start drinking raw cow's milk. While drinking raw milk is always dangerous because it carries the threat of various nasty bacterial infections, H5N1 also appears to be infectious in raw milk. And, unlike other influenza viruses, H5N1 has the potential to infect organs beyond the lungs and respiratory tract, as seen in the cats. The authors of the new study note that a 2019 consumer survey found that 4.4 percent of adults in the US consumed raw milk more than once in the previous year, suggesting more public awareness of the dangers of raw milk is necessary.

Just great.

[–] lemmylommy 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

What about cheese made from raw milk?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think I read something saying that they don't know for sure.

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The FDA says that they don't know yet and don't recommend eating it.

https://www.fda.gov/food/alerts-advisories-safety-information/updates-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-hpai

Because of the limited information available about the possible transmission of H5N1 virus via raw milk, the FDA continues to recommend that industry does not manufacture or sell raw milk or raw milk products, including raw milk cheese, made with milk from cows showing symptoms of illness, including those infected with avian influenza viruses or exposed to those infected with avian influenza viruses.

[–] The_v 7 points 6 months ago

Cheese made from raw milk is a great way to get all sorts of fun diseases like listeriosis.

The cheese making process is also unlikely to kill then virus but the aging process likely will.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

God dammit, we've got cowvid infecting cats now

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jaybone 5 points 6 months ago

Cowrona Virus

[–] anon_8675309 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t drink raw cow milk unless you’re a cow baby.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think the story goes beyond not drinking raw cow milk and pasteurization at this point. Behind the scenes there is def 'concern'. The first time cattle were known to ever be infected was March of this year.

Two possible bird flu vaccines could be available within weeks, if needed The H5N1 virus has infected at least 36 herds across nine states, raising the risk of potential human spread, federal health officials said Wednesday. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/two-possible-bird-flu-vaccines-available-weeks-needed-rcna149961

“The risk here of something going from one or two sporadic cases to becoming something of international concern, it’s not insignificant,” CDC Principal Deputy Director Nirav Shah said at a Council on Foreign Relations event on Wednesday. “We’ve all seen how a virus can spread around the globe before public health has even had a chance to get its shoes on. That’s a risk and one that we have to be mindful of.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/bird-flu-outbreak-cows-biden-00155452

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I always thought raw milk was only really useful for making cheese.

I can't see any reason to drink it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Stay away from the farms. Stay away from the city. Got it.

[–] jordanlund 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So I'm guessing the sea too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Anything that eats birds (or eats things that eat birds). Although with non-carnivorous mass infection in cows I think we're well and truly fucked.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obligatory reminder to get your flu shots!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I did and got the flu twice anyway :(

I'm still going to get this one too once it's available.

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