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...replacing the previously hydraulic version.

Insert obligatory welcome statement here.

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[-] mipadaitu 142 points 2 months ago

So glad they selected this super not creepy intro.

[-] egeres 87 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think they specifically chose that to display that it has no "forward" axis, robots don't need to be 100% anthropomorphic and follow our biological limitations, this is a very significant evolution in design that will allow for better mobility

[-] 3volver 28 points 2 months ago

I'd go further to argue that it's very necessary for robots to have even more mobility such as wheels to take advantage of momentum and increase efficiency. There's a reason the wheel was invented, things like bicycles, wheelbarrows, etc.

The ANYmal wheeled legged robot is an example of that.

https://newatlas.com/robotics/anymal-swiss-mile-quadruped-wheeled-standing-robot/

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[-] samus12345 16 points 2 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago

A robot could never excede my performance in being depressed and autistic so Im safe.

[-] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago

We've got LLMs now that can do that. Sorry, you've been replaced. Please gather your things into this box and cheer up.

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[-] BeardedBaker 65 points 2 months ago

Only got one question for ya here fellas, can it fuck?

[-] [email protected] 44 points 2 months ago
import sex

sex.angry({'bottom': 'power', 'style': 'snoo-snoo'})
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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Not stock, but with the platinum fukyfuky package 👌

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

cool, so they can do the grueling work for us so we can enjoy life... right?

[-] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago

You don't need humanoid robots for that, just an economic system that is not based on trading labor for income. That is what has been holding us back for a long time.

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[-] kromem 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm getting really tired of that metric.

Like, human performance has a very wide range and scope.

My car "exceeds human performance."

My toaster exceeds human performance for making toast.

Michael Phelps exceeds the human performance of myself in a pool.

I exceed the human performance of any baby.

This just tells me that the robot is more able at something than the worst human at that thing.

[-] RememberTheApollo_ 15 points 2 months ago

Exceeds the very limited parameter we used to define as “human performance.”

“Look, this robot’s arm can spin 360°! It exceeds human performance!”

Ok, can it get a glass out of the cabinet, put ice cubes in it, fill it with water and bring it to me?

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[-] Num10ck 41 points 2 months ago

soon things like this will be everywhere in our lives, on subscription, and can turn into police or military at any time like an agent smith. sleep tight!

[-] workerONE 15 points 2 months ago

Or just running down the street looking for an electric outlet to plug into

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

"exceeds human performance" .. in crushing whatever it is gripping, right?

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago

I never knew I needed Boston Dynamics to build a skinwalker, but they knew

[-] silverbax 54 points 2 months ago

"What should we include when we build our humanoid robot?"

"It should stand up in the most unnerving way possible."

[-] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

Admit it...if your legs could do that, you'd stand up like that every single time. Just because you could. Just like every time General Grievous climbs into a shuttle and does that flip.

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[-] disguy_ovahea 31 points 2 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Did you know there is an industry-standard mounting system for strap-on dildos? Just saying.

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[-] MeanEYE 29 points 2 months ago

Waiting any minute for Musk to come out and say how Tesla is the most advanced robot manufacturing company still, because he can't stand not being in the spotlight.

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[-] daltotron 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Okay somebody probably knows better than me, but what is the advantage of humanoid robots? Why are people kinda, on this, now? It feels very 20th century, as an idea. It's pretty cool, but I don't understand why this would be necessary compared to just like, specialized normal robots that do specialized normal tasks. It seems more efficient, if you wanted a robot to, say, do the dishes, to make a robot that just does the dishes, instead of making a robot in the shape of a person that does the dishes. The one that's in the shape of a person is maybe more broadly applicable to human contexts, software notwithstanding (which does seem like a major hiccup). But it's not as though there's like, an upper limit on the amount of robots which we can have, in total. You could just make more robots, and make them specialized for certain tasks, like stocking shelves or whatever, and that would probably be easier, I would think, than making one robot to rule them all. Like, one robot, with ostensibly an on-board computer and on-board batteries so it's as universal as possible.

It gives me self-driving car vibes, where we could've had them in the 50's if everyone was willing to install metal spikes in the ground every however many feet ahead, but then that maybe doesn't make any sense, because it's just kind of a shitty train or tram. Basically, that nobody's willing to front the cost of infrastructure for anything anymore, so we have to make like, a universal device, and end up quintupling the total cost while making a solution that is either less efficient or doesn't exist.

Also, what's the point of the legs? Is it supposed to go outside, or go up stairs better? We already have pretty efficient wheeled vehicles capable of doing that in most public spaces, or, we're supposed to, anyways, they're called wheelchairs. What do we need this guy to walk around for?

Edit: So far, what I've gotten is ladders, and the scalability of a humanoid design vs other kinds of designs.

For ladders, I think you could probably tackle that with a similar set of constraints what you might need for a stair climbing robot, maybe just with a couple heavyweight anchors inside of it and some gearing or something. Use the robot's big arms, the manipulators, to climb like normal, and then use the bottom wheels to sort of ratchet the robot up. Probably that could work on most ladders with some clever engineering. Could maybe also run a cable from the top of the ladder to the bottom and then have a system where the robot rappels up and down for lots of ladders, but yeah.

I don't think you end up spending all that much on a robot that has wheels vs legs, and I think probably the increased efficiency would be worth it if you want like a generalized robot here. Might be wrong, maybe a roboticist can tell me no, but I dunno. As far as engineering goes it doesn't seem any more complicated than legs. Legs seem better for, offroading, basically. Which are why lots of animals use them, cause animals don't have roads.

For the versatility and scalability thing, I dunno whether or not it's more or less efficient still. While a steam cleaning room does require some amount of consideration to build, I would think that you could really get the price down from the tens of thousands of dollars required for this kind of robot to perform a similar job. Especially if you built it that way up front, retrofits might be much more expensive considering how many bathrooms aren't built correctly. Or you could go with a kind of hybrid approach, which I totally forgot about, but would seem to make some amount of sense, especially for a larger building.

Maybe those savings build up over time, and you could just have a McDonald's staffed by like three of these at once and only spend like 500,000 on it, which does seem like quite a bit to add on top of a McDonald's opening costs. I'm assuming you gotta buy multiple to staff it as a whole and also that you have to buy multiple to have more battery capacity, but maybe one of these will come out with the clever innovation of a swappable battery if/when they come to market. I would definitely hope that'd be the case.

I'm not sure it works out economically. I'm not sure of anything here. These are just suggestions because I haven't seen a lot of FUD on these human robots, except of the Terminator variety, which seems dumb.

I suppose my biggest difference here is just one of philosophy, mostly because I've seen it reflected in self-driving cars. You can make something that's capable in any context. Wind, snow, rain, shine, heavy traffic, pedestrian traffic, intermodal traffic, different kinds of roads not created to a set standard by the state's DOT. You can make a Swiss army knife, right. Maybe there are some economic and QoL savings there if you can do rideshares or do like, johnnycabs, right, if you can eliminate the desire for car ownership and status from the American mind. Maybe you can get all those cars out of parking lots as much as possible, and onto the road, doubling, maybe even tripling the amount of traffic as cars now move from one person going from one place to another place. Maybe you can also solve traffic, if you can get all the human driven cars off the road and totally automate everything so none of the cars ever hit each other or anyone, maybe you could try to do this piecemeal with autonomous vehicle only zones and surmount the nimbys with venture capital to buy a whole local municipality. Maybe you can balance the speed with the safety so we don't have heavy traffic and we get places on time, but when a disaster strikes from ice buildup on the road in a random place, or leaves flying around your car, it doesn't kill everyone. Maybe, you can get all this to not computationally require an energy cost collectively that rivals a medium sized European country. Maybe you can also solve the wireless communication issues that would plague this system, and maybe that allows you to simplify it instead of having every car be self-driving and predictable even though probably a bunch of different companies will be trying to get in on this and will be mingling in traffic, with different softwares.

Maybe you could also make a tram, though. Maybe you could have an electric folding bike you take on the tram. That's also an option. That's just infrastructural cost, and we could do that right now.

Neither of these solutions is necessarily better, right. I mean, in this case specifically it's pretty apparent to anyone with half a brain that the trams are better quite obviously but like, as an analogue about humanoid robots, especially with the point taken about a variety of contexts as opposed to a single high friction context like cars, neither of these solutions are necessarily better. They entail different philosophies. One created a world around the thing, one creates the thing. One changes the world to suit the people, one changes the people to suit the world.

Is what I'm saying making sense, did I get my point across?

[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago

Because this makes it a drop-in replacement for a person. You need to go into a confined space with toxic gas? Your Wall-E-looking robot works great, right up until you hit a single step, god forbid a ladder. This robot could handle all of that, and turn the valve to shut off the gas or whatever.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

They could make more specialized robots, but I imagine the selling point is the versatility. A specialized robot can make food at a fast food restaurant, but can it also deliver food to customers, mop floors, and clean bathrooms? Adding a specialized robot to a kitchen or a factory floor may require you to completely re-design how the floor/room is set up, but adding a humanoid shaped robot would not require any extra setup (well, besides teaching it/programming it).

Spot has been used as a security guard/ inspector at some sites. Going up stairs/ladders would be extremely difficult for something on wheels/treads, but for a robot that works like a human it could be easy.

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[-] puppy 18 points 2 months ago

Finally, a technology related post in the technology community.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Can it outrun a kenyan in a marathon?

Or the real question is if a battery can be made small enough to fit in a human sizef robot that can keep it running over 42km

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[-] Ultragigagigantic 18 points 2 months ago
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[-] andxz 18 points 2 months ago

Everyone has a plan until a pneumatic metal fist hammers them silly.

[-] chiliedogg 22 points 2 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What if being hammered silly by a pneumatic fist is my plan?

🫦

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[-] Revonult 16 points 2 months ago

Were the others not fully electric!?!?! Like obviously they were but the title makes it sound like they built steampunk robots.

[-] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The old atlas had hydraulics, this one only electric actuators. Thats probably what they meant.

[-] MightBeAlpharius 17 points 2 months ago

That makes a lot of sense, actually. I also saw "fully electric" and immediately thought of electric/hybrid/ICE cars, and my brain went straight to "hold up, did I miss the fully functional diesel-powered humanoid robot?"

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[-] hperrin 15 points 2 months ago

And it’s not just a person in a body suit.

[-] linearchaos 16 points 2 months ago

After watching the creepy as fuck way it got up off the floor I think it's safe to say there's not a human in it.

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[-] Exeous 13 points 2 months ago

When they take over? They look super fun!

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