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[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Fact: 90% of science is made with quartz

... accurate

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Is there any good search engines? I mean I've tried searching recently for a solution I referenced 3 months ago and it's disappeared from Google and Bing.

Shit, even looking up repair information for a household appliance if can't find the model before the newest and it all points to a sale page for the newest version.

Maybe AkJeeves!?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Kagi is meant to be okay, but it’s paid.

There’s also SearX which you could self host.

[–] Clent 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I second Kagi with the additional mention of their "lens" feature that allows results to be restricted to scholarly sources which is very relevant to the meme's search needs.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

& that pdf search after.

[–] arken 4 points 8 months ago

Plus forum search so you never have to add "reddit" or "lemmy" to your search phrase again.

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[–] Beryl 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I've been using DuckDuckGo for a few years now, and I never went back to Google. Maybe give it a try !

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My understanding is that duckduckgo is just Bing without tracking, I also have used it for a few years to decent success but figure it's worth noting

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I use duck duck go but sometimes I just have to use google.

Use same search terms etc and can't get what I want.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The problem is that humanity now has an incentive to produce spam content (ad money) and programs that can meticulously craft spam content to look like it's written by a human (LLMs).

I have to assume that the result is tons of spam content, which the traditional search engines have to sift through.

If they'd present you with all that spam content, you wouldn't find anything useful.
So, they try to filter out that spam content, but because it looks like it's written by a human, they're going to accidentally filter out useful content, too.

There's also at least some measurements, that search results are decidedly getting worse: https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/17/google_search_results_spam/

So, yeah, I think, all traditional search engines are massively struggling with this. Maybe something can be done with only indexing known-good sites, but for specialty information, like the repair information of your household appliance, that will probably be worse...

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The only way crystals can heal you is if that crystal is salt and your illness is a salt deficiency.

[–] Beryl 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Presenting to the emergency room with hyponatremia, from hypo meaning low, natron meaning sodium, and hemia meaning presence in blood. Low sodium presence in blood !

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What if I'm bleeding out from a gunshot wound and I have a crystal that is sufficient diameter to plug said gunshot wound?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Helps not die. Not so much heal.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

I remain skeptical. But you do you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

To be fair; pretty common.

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[–] Kolrami 33 points 8 months ago (9 children)

scholar.google.com is where you want to go.

Also, in my Google-fu experience technical terms work well for finding better scholarly results.

[–] NegativeInf 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Same experience I have had. Swapping to scholar gets me relevant results that aren't filled with ai gibberish and backwater Hokum. Still have to be careful about study sizes and sigma values and applicability, but miles ahead for at least getting to that being my issue.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
[–] lemmyman 8 points 8 months ago

Yes this is absurd, but it's a (serious) scientific community issue, not a search engine issue.

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[–] rustyfish 19 points 8 months ago

Ever died from smallpox while holding a healing crystal?

Didn’t fucking think so 😎

[–] Driveway4964 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

For those looking for some Google alternatives:

  • Qwant has a custom indexing strategy and is okay
  • Brave Search ~uses Google and Bing~ EDIT: they use a custom index too
  • Startpage uses Google and Bing and it’s prettier than Brave IMO
  • SearX is ugly but has a lot of sources
  • Perplexity AI tracks the shit out of you but it’s decent
  • Kagi is customizable but it costs you

Feel free to add on any I missed or opinions on these; I haven’t used any extensively

EDIT: Ecosia for trees and DDG for Bing without ads

[–] Cris_Color 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Brave uses its own index. It used to be supplemented with results from other engines but I believe they have now phased that out.

Brave is the best of the free options in my experience, and it supports "bangs" which let's you send your querry to a different engine (typing "how far is it to the sun !g" will pass the search to google. Duckduckgo also supports bangs), this is especially helpful for image searches (!gi for google images) since braves image search sucks dogshit 😅

Quant seemed like the second best free option in my experience. Some people don't like brave as a company for various reasons, so quant may be a good option for those folks. Its my understanding that Mozilla has worked with quant in some way, which is kinda neat.

Both have their own index making them a sustainable/viable option going forward, where meta search engines that use other engine's results are at the whim of those they fetch the results from (but may provide better results by piggybacking off a larger successful engine)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ecosia uses the money they generate with ads to plant trees 🌿 (I think it's bing on the backend)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

MetaGer is a metasearch engine focused on protecting users' privacy. Based in Germany, and hosted as a cooperation between the German NGO 'SUMA-EV - Association for Free Access to Knowledge' and the University of Hannover, the system is built on 24 small-scale web crawlers under MetaGer's own control. In September 2013, MetaGer launched MetaGer.net, an English-language version of their search engine.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


It currently supports the following languages/regions:

Dansk (Danmark)

Deutsch (Österreich/Schweiz/Deutschland)

English (Great Britain/Ireland/Malaysia/USA)

Español (España/México)

Suomalainen (Suomi)

Français (Canada/France)

Italiano (Italia)

Nederlands (Nederland)

Polski (Polska)

Svenska (Sverige)

Source: https://metager.org/lang


There is a TOR-hidden service too:

https://metager.org/tor


It is open source:

https://gitlab.metager.de/open-source/MetaGer


And has other useful features, for example:

[...] you can hide yourself behind our proxyserver just by opening the result anonymously? Use "OPEN ANONYMOUSLY"; this also affects the following links.

Source: https://metager.org/tips


Alternatively I use some SearxNG-instances, preferably hosted in the EU:

https://searx.space

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Brave Search does not use Google and Bing. And why did you skip over DDG?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Qwant was good until they georestricted it for no reason

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I'm not sure what exactly you're typing into the search field, but I don't anything like this. The top 3 sites I get for a search of "minerals" are wikipedia, australian museum, and britannica. Typing in "crystals" gets me a healthline article debunking crystal healing, but the following results are some woman's personal store and amazon. Lastly, being direct about wanting scientific articles gets me said articles...

Side note: Why are there so many people pushing for kagi in this thread and skipping over the fact that duckduckgo exists? It's kinda bizarre to see.

[–] Donkter 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hell, typing in "scientific data about minerals" gets me a bunch of university geology department websites.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’ve commented about potential Kagi astroturfing here before.

Seems likely to me.

Their trial - too short for me - felt like a private Google w/improvements.

Now, as a filthy freeloader, my default is DuckDuckGo. I am dissatisfied with the results and !bang out to Google (!g) about half the time. I pray DDG makes use of this data to improve their engine.

tl;dr astroturfing vs. bad results vs. enabling the king of adware

Gosh I need to set up SearXNG! Also “private Google” vibes. Instances here

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Why not just use Google scholar?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This scene live rent free in my head. Also fuckin Crystal Healing types make me look bad when I just think pretty rocks look nice

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I know right? Completely ruin geology.

[–] jg1i 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Aaaaannd this is why I use Kagi. The site ranking feature let's me block or down rank sketchy sites. (And lets you boost credible sites.)

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[–] Wolfram 9 points 8 months ago

As a gem and mineral collecting hobbyist I feel this pain so, so much.

[–] Reddfugee42 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It looks like OP tried to write $99.99 but got drunk and wrote it backwards

[–] VinnyDaCat 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Could be Québécois . They put the dollar sign after the number, rather than before if I recall.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Or from a country that uses a currency that puts their sign afterwards so not that familiar with dollars

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It makes sense to put then sign after

We say 99.99 dollars not dollars 99.99

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[–] thrax 8 points 8 months ago

God I had this issue looking for used wheels for my car. Like, actual wheels to use for a track day, but results showed nothing but simracing threads for used STEERING wheels.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Like multivitamins? (Also contains minerals!)

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