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[–] [email protected] 210 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmy naturally concentrates unconnected users with similar interests thanks to reddit-style communities. Mastodon follows the Twitter style where you have to find and follow individual users to get their microblog content, and its harder to isolate certain topics or interests except across the entire service via hashtags. Individual users on their own are very uninteresting and bland.
Lemmy has fewer users but they as a whole generate more active content than Mastodon does thanks to community specialization, since the Twitter style posts require some critical mass of users following to generate interesting discussion (something that basically never happens unless you're already a celebrity)

[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago

To add to this, on Lemmy I often find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with a user depending on the topic and community. It adds a layer of additional context and nuance to that user. If I was just to follow the user vs. community, however, I may get the impression that the user is not worth following if I happen to run across them on a topic that we have disagreements on.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So many posts perfectly summarising why I've always preferred the reddit format over twitter. On one you follow topics, on the other you follow people. I prefer to hear a wide range of views on one topic rather than one persons views on different topics.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You can follow hashtags on Mastodon. I find this a preferable experience to following individuals.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Even then, Mastodon and similars feel more like a market square with everyone trying to catch others' attention, even when they're all talking about a specific topic to "no one in particular". It's not as easy to follow a topic there as in a forum-style thread about the topic, like this one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It's not nearly the same as following communities or groups, it's just a collection of posts grouped by tags, as opposed to a space where people discuss or post about a more broad topic. Also Communities and groups typically invite more interaction than simply tagging posts by virtue of being a place people post as opposed to simply being a post tag category.

I should note that there are groups on Mastodon (Not really in Mastodon itself but federated Group actors from other services show up there) though they are less intuitive and thus are usually overlooked by most Mastodon users.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 7 months ago

The twitter format makes it feel like everyone is speaking from a soap box at all times, and people aren’t their best selves from a soap box.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I always hated the Twitter format, so Mastodon never appealed to me in the first place

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah agree, I keep trying it myself but its just weird in its layout. Just recently found this webclient, phanpy, that at least puts the longer posts together in a thread. Game-changer, but I am still not sure why the character limit still exists. Also no sorting options of incoming content or am I missing something? I guess it just doesn't work that way.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I believe it's how the data is structured.

Lemmy is focused on themes and topics, with the "user" not being the focus (you can't even follow a user on Lemmy).

That's reversed on Mastodon, with focus on the users you follow, and the topics (hashtags, groups, etc) being optional.

For some people, Lemmy is better, for others, Mastodon or other microblog platform. The fact that both can exist in the same network is magical to me.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I personally would rather follow topics than people. I don't know or care what the founder of Adobe had for breakfast. I like the idea of community aggregate voting to drive an interesting feed. Maybe Mastodon can do that better than I know because I only gave it a few days... but I was nowhere near what I wanted after a few days where Lemmy was good from day 0.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Except the people who are actually popular on mastodon are shit posting the windows xp USB connection sounds and meowing at each other like feral cats. not the founder of adobe

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago

The difference is mastadon is how interesting your friends are. Lenny is how interesting the entire lemmy populous is.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The main factor is discoverability.

There are no shortage of creative or funny people on Mastodon, however, Mastodon's feed algorithm do not allow them to be discovered unless you happen to stumble upon them by happenstance, whereas it is quite easy to be seen on Lemmy by posting good content: it's rare when I don't get any upvotes or downvotes on a comment here, and good replies are fairly common, so the interaction quality here is generally higher.

[–] ripcord 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, hey, I loved you in My Name is Earl

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

"American actress Jaime Presley from North Carolina" is one of my more successful characters, all I had to do was a Southern American accent and people think I'm a completely different person.

Then again, nobody ever expects an actress to be playing the role of another actress.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Microblogging versus content aggregation with comments. Two different things that are technically similar enough to share a protocol.

On Masto, it's more about being a person saying something into the ether. Lemmy is more about adding content to communities, subscribing to the ones you like, and then talking about it there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

This 100%>. It's why Reddit is way more fun than Twitter. Twitter is like yelling into the void and sometimes the void yells back. It's good for publishers and content creation, bad for real conversation. Reddit supports real threaded conversation with voting to highlight the good parts of the conversation.

The other thing is interest following. Twitter you have to follow people, and a person may be posting on things you have interest in and other things you have no interest in. Reddit you follow subjects, and you see good content regardless of who posts it.

Mastodon and Lemmy are just decentralized Twitter and Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

And that's why Reddit is still winning. It's the only big social network that does that (aside from Lemmy). All the other big ones are people-centric (or business or whatever). It's you subscribe to a person. On Reddit and Lemmy you subscribe to a topic.

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[–] maxenmajs 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's harder to find the good stuff on Mastodon because you have to follow individuals or novelty accounts.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I think that is the biggest issue with Mastodon and federation in general: Limited discoverability. I've spoken to a few artists that still post on Twitter. They won't join Mastodon, because it is so hard to develop consistent reach.

[–] TropicalDingdong 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They don't have beans on Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Lemmy is and will forever remain pants optional.

[–] Aurix 21 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Mastodon went in two seriously wrong directions, but seems to remedy them which is difficult. First they have no proper quote supporting and failing to realize all communication works this way on the internet. Be it comments on articles, all the newspapers quoting others and thus creating those articles etc. Second the lack of algorithms due to a misguided opinion they are inherently evil. What we got instead is a random feed of random messages where a news like structure like on Twitter is not possible. Extremely important events are buried behind tons of crappy posts. And the only region for whom the explore tab is working is America as nothing is localized. Also scrolling through the feed doesn't tell you what seems to garner attraction by the number of comments. So most clicks are wasted on deadend topics.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's a reason that I'm not a Twitter, X or Mastodon user. I'm not that kind of person. I think they should hand out free methadone if you can prove you're an X user.

Lemmy (and Reddit) is separated into distinct communities too. You can avoid certain areas easily.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Mastodon feels like a fucking funeral.

You're clearly nowhere near the good parts, then.

In my experience, once when you find your way into the correct circles the microblog-verse makes the "shitposting" of Lemmy look like r/memes. I do agree that discoverability could be better though, it took me 4-5 months before I got the hang of it. And now I barely check Lemmy despite my Lemmy account being older than my earliest microblog account (under this name, anyway).

One important thing is that your instance matters quite a bit more than here. Starting on a large general purpose instance (especially if it's mastodon.social) and just following Large Accounts and Nobody Else like most people recommend for some reason is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Instead, get on a smaller interest-specific instance (rule of thumb: the weirder the domain the better your experience will be!) and follow the local timeline (and on good software, the bubble/recommended timelines). And post stuff/interact with people. Don't be that one person that does nothing but boost news bots and occasionally butt into replies of people asking rhetorical questions they already know the answer for.

(Perhaps Lemmy is better at news or whatever, I wouldn't know as I block all news communities I can find -- I just don't see the point as all the discussion around most news ends up predictable, unproductive (not that internet communities necessarily need to be "productive"), and unnecessarily angry)

Also in a world with usableβ„’ Misskey forks and Akkoma I think the limitations of Mastodon the software are really starting to show, and I urge anyone who's been disappointed in Mastodon to try other microblog software. (Quotes are already a thing if you know where to look! So are emoji reactions, because people have more emotions than :star:)

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[–] WhyAUsername_1 20 points 7 months ago

Because both of us are here! And we are fun people, won't you agree?

Just kidding!

Cheers, have fun.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Just guessing here, but Lemmy is generally content focused, where it feels like mastodon and twitter have more of a focus on the interaction between users. This would mean that Mastodon needs a lot of active users to function, where a lemmy community can be largely carried by just a few really active posters.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I still don't know how to find people with similar interests on mastodon. There may be lots of interesting stuff happening there but how would I know? Plus posting on there feels like shouting into the void since I only have a handful of followers.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Everything I’ve seen on Mastodon is either very serious or cat pics. There’s also this dungeons and dragons AI game that I sometimes get sucked into.

[–] MacedWindow 16 points 7 months ago

I'm always surprised at the lack of interactions on Mastadon. Most toots seem to never get a single like or comment, even from users with lots of followers. Always makes me feel like I'm missing something.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Up/downvotes help us all essentially be eachothers β€œalgorithm” so its easier to find interesting stuff. Also comment sections are the best part of Lemmy style websites while mastodon is a mess to follow because the default app doesnt even have threaded replies, theres no downvotes, and you cant subscribe to a post to get notifications or come back to it later and posts dont appear on google searches so a post doesn’t get any use after a day or two. Lemmy posts bring me benefits months/years after theyre made because they appear when I google for information

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[–] TokenBoomer 14 points 7 months ago

Because you’re here.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

I share the same experience. Lemmy imitates Reddit, Mastodon imitates Twitter. The concept of Twitter might be more reliant on algorithms than that of Reddit, algorithms that Mastodon mostly lacks. Bluesky is a Twitter alternative designed for federation that has algorithms, and it appears more lively to me. The same might be true for Threads but I won't test this out.

[–] SomeGuy69 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy is working as interests based discussion platform and mastodon as gossip based. Interests are always better than people.

Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Can confirm. I can only think of few people to follow on mastodon, whereas on Lemmy, I can think of many topics to follow. Besides, on mastodon, those interesting people will also discuss boring topics from time to time.

On Lemmy, you can only focus on interesting topics, which means that your home feed will always be full of cool stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Like others have said, the community aspect of Lemmy allows me to follow things I enjoy, not people who may or may not post something I like. Additionally, even a simple algorithm that sorts content based on perceived relevancy makes it so I can see the stuff I want to see first (though someone did point out that that isn't entirely fair, but the "New" sort does provide that experience).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you’re just in a weird corner of mastodon? My mastodon feed is way more popping than on here.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Mastodon feels like a torrent of random unrelated comments drowing out anything that might be interesting. I tried it, I don't see any value in it. Even for following friends it's unusable, there is the one that posts three times a day and the one that posts once every three weeks, there is no way to ever see one of his posts, unless I specifically go to his profile to look. I've given up on Mastodon.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

@bruhbeans I think people feel more uninhibited on a platform like Lemmy, Typically, when you post on Mastodon your post will show up in the timeline for everyone who follows you and if not Unlisted, in public timelines as well. There'slemmy-worldxposure for just responding to something simple and niche. In the lemmy-world, people follow communities and view threads, not individual accounts, so they aren't typically exposed to the random commentary people have.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I prefer Lemmy over Mastodon for the same reason I preferred Reddit (pre-APIpocalypse) over Twitter (pre-Musk) - the ability to subscribe to specific communities with similar interests. Try as I might in Mastodon with selective subscriptions to certain posters I still find myself scrolling through stuff I have no interest in hoping for a nugget of interest.

[–] malean 8 points 7 months ago

My expirience is similar, I prefer Lemmy but I see the potential of platform like Mastodon or Misskey or Pixelfeld for interraction with artists. In that sense you can use list to properly organize your feed and don't clog your timeline feed. Plus for discovering new people you follow hashtags and some instances let you set up antennas to catch post with specific words (iceshrimp rules!).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Because Twitter-like services are not fun.... I never thought they were fun. :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Literally I have no idea what you are talking about...

ya wanna know what my feed has been all day over on mastodon...

gay people tooting ":3" and just that, hundreds of them.. ddos the fedi with ":3"...

you see what you follow, follow cooler people. It's not mastodon it's a you problem. Should follow more gay and trans and neurodivrergent furries. It's a party over there every day I love it

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I honestly think the tiny fraction of MAU might be the reason. Something like once you exceed a Dunbar Number of contacts in a community it starts to go downhill.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Quality is higher when people want to be somewhere specific based on content or types of users and not because of the number of users.

Quality goes down when people are somewhere because everyone else is there.

The latter tends to have a higher proportion of malicious trolls and other people who crave conflict because they need a large enough crowd to get away with those kind of behaviors.

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