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Discord began blocking servers with information prohibited in the Russian Federation (habr.com)

submitted 9 months ago by Wilshire to c/technology

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Can we just go back to personal websites and forums?

Also fuck discord use mumble

[–] douglasg14b 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's even worse when open source projects point you towards their discord for questions and support.

It's just a black hole for information

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hate that so much, especially when GitHub lets have your own wiki. It's just lazy devs.

[–] Damaskox 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the devs love keeping answering same questions over Discord? =D

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

looks around at the fediverse uh we kinda already are...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Not exactly.

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[–] dai 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Discord is trash, had issues with a KBDFans product, something as simple as a search of a forum would have given me the solution. I had to talk to a human to get the required information. They sent me a link to a firmware to download and all was good.

If I was able to search a forum it would have been a 2 minute job, but I wasted someone else's time, on the other side of the globe.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

please do show me a single messaging platform that can easily and sanely house a population of >50k people on the same server, and allows that for absolutely free, while providing reasonably high quality voice messaging and streaming with negligible latency

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While discord doesn't necessarily cost money, it for sure also isn't free. In fact it's the reddit problem but way worse. A proprietary non-searchable database with all content fully licensed to discord including the right to sub-license. At least, Reddit had an API and is still searchable through their public facing http. I mean I get people don't want their group messages readable by everyone, bit for large groups, it makes sense.

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[–] Serinus 12 points 9 months ago

IRC + Mumble.

We had these things in 2007

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Why would I ever want that?

I can’t think of a single instance where I want to be messaging 50k people at once

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're doing it right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I was gonna be like weeeell but the population of c/technology is in fact 52k so

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Join my discord for tutorials on how to setup your own static webpage!

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[–] Spaniard 7 points 9 months ago

The self hosted movement should be bigger!

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm surprised that the service works at all in Russia. Isn't there some sort of sanction that disallows that? I think it's time for someone to look into that.

[–] hroderic 58 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Russia government is probably happy to have people chatting in an unencrypted service

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

messages between client and server are still encrypted tho so does it really matter

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, because the MITM attack is the relevant government walking up to discord with a paper saying "I do what I want"

Man in the Middle = Government subpoena

[–] ben_dover 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

they are not even "in the middle" but rather "at the very end", since they're just getting the data directly from the service provider instead

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Since when is Discord a proper place to get information? On larger servers, anything you type is gone forever after an hour due to the volume of messages.

[–] A_Random_Idiot 20 points 9 months ago

Its not.

but people still insist on using it as a information store house. Much to the detriment of everyone.

[–] ImTryingLemmy 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For someone in Russia, the impermanence might be a desirable feature. I mean, there's always still IRC but Discord is all the rage these days.

Get off my lawn.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

It's not even properly impermanent because somebody else can just archive everything, ironically giving them better overview than the actual members themselves

[–] flames5123 7 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Do you not know how to properly search in discord? Sure forums are better but a message in discord isn’t “gone forever” if you’re searching. It’s a pretty fast to search too, which is an insanely impressive feat due to the sheer amount of messages.

[–] douglasg14b 11 points 9 months ago

Yeah but the searching also kind of sucks for detailed information.

If only we had these things called search engines that indexed websites that had information on them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Discord's search is a joke. You search for specific words and you get a load of results that are... just not that word, at all

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[–] beefontoast 47 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Is Lemmy going to be one of the only places we can go to get uncensored content? Even the mainstream UK and US news outlets are filtering things.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Lmao nah. Lemmy is just decentralized censorship. Anyone can ban or block anything else; anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim. Multiple communities have already defederated in the less than a year that I've been on here.

Lemmy solves the issue of centralized censorship/echo chamber communities, by replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers that you get to censor yourself. It's a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it's not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers

Which really wouldn't be that bad if instances were more clear about how they operate. Like, on the user signup page, there should be a big ol checkbox saying "I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING THATS NOT A POSITIVE POST ABOUT COMMUNISM WILL GET ME BANNED" or whatever

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's been fun abusing a Lemmy bug (or an API feature, depending on how you look at it) that lets you see what a removed comment originally said on a certain .ml instance. Unsurprisingly, they almost always were something negative about China or Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What? There's censoring all over this place!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

With the developers themselves being the biggest offenders.

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[–] Maggoty 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's part of what the fediverse is about.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Lemmy isn't a place. Lemmy is just the software you use to access the Fediverse. Lemmy is not censored or uncensored - only specific instances can be censored or uncensored.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy is massively censored. I just got another ban recently for taking about .ml bans in a .world thread.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's wrong to say that Lemmy is censored. Certain Lemmy instances censor more than others. Go to instances you like that don't censor the stuff you don't want censored.