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Avast, the cybersecurity software company, is facing a $16.5 million fine after it was caught storing and selling customer information without their consent. The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) announced the fine on Thursday and said that it’s banning Avast from selling user data for advertising purposes.

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[–] HootinNHollerin 161 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They definitely made more than that selling data what a fucking joke

[–] db2 41 points 8 months ago

F*C fines are just protection money payments.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (6 children)

If the software is free, but not open source, it's harvesting your data. How else do you think these companies stay in business?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you pay tho they're also harvesting your data. And if you don't use your service they make a ghost profile and harvest that data.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only way to fully prevent it is to remove the profit-motive altogether.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Sounds fun!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I love it when people say "if you don't pay you are the product" as if paying for youtube premium, google one, reddit premium or spotify will stop them from harvesting your data haha that's how naive we were back when we thought data was collected only for ads.

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[–] Fredselfish 30 points 8 months ago

Free my ass! Avast charges money for that service. Hell they make you subscribe to use any service outside basic virus scan. So customers paid to have their data stolen and sold.

[–] CustodialTeapot 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I dislike this sentiment. Just because something is FOSS or open source, doesn't mean it's not harvesting your data or doing something nefarious.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

kinda wrong sentiment to get from the statement. statement is only saying if

if free and NOT open source > data harvest

it doesn't necessarily imply that

if free and open source > doesnt data harvest

at all. its just you have the ability to find out via code of they do or not. thats more or less in the boat of logical paradoxes you can make.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

A good example would be Yuzu (the Switch emulator), it was open source and collected so much telemetry that Nintendo might go after their users.

This might be fear tactic but it shows you that you aren't safe

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[–] ilinamorato 72 points 8 months ago

Five years ago, I posted on Reddit about how Avast had installed a browser without my consent and set it as default while I was out of town and away from my computer. That post has had comments added to it several times a year ever since, meaning that they're still trying that nonsense. They stole my data without my consent by importing all of my browser data, and now it's come out that they blatantly sold it without my consent as well.

I said it then, and I say it now: If you install something without my knowledge or consent, you're a virus, plain and simple.

[–] TrickDacy 72 points 8 months ago (1 children)

$16.5 million is not even a slap on the wrist

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

A great business model actually

[–] LoremIpsumGenerator 64 points 8 months ago

Cybersec company ❌

Advertisement/Data mining ✔️

[–] Kinglink 61 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Jesus Christ.

Remember when Google's Motto was "Don't be Evil" It was supposed to be a jab at Microsoft, but it feels like every year tech companies find news ways to just be fucking evil.

PS. Google kind of fails to live up to that motto too, I don't even know if it's still an official motto.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago

Google execs knew this motto will just get in the way of maximizing profits for shareholders, so they dropped it a few years ago.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago

I don’t even know if it’s still an official motto.

It's not

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

No they officially (quietly) dropped it like a decade ago

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Kind of? They would happily sell your mother heroine and auction off her house. They fail at not being evil like Antarctica fails at being hospitable to palm trees.

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[–] taanegl 57 points 8 months ago (8 children)

This is a careful reminder to be VERY SCEPTICAL about not only "anti-viruses" (like bro, Windows defender is good enough), but also browsers. There is a high probability that the company is either a data broker or fintech... looking at you, Opera.

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[–] Chocrates 53 points 8 months ago

Do we know how much money they made on it? If it was more than $16.5 then it was still a good step on their balance sheet.

This stuff needs to be fined at the full income they made from the tool plus some penalty. Corporations only care about their balance sheets.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's horrifying. I remember using the avast private browser when I was younger as to not get tracked by Google chrome, but i was just getting tracked by avast instead. :(

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's capitalism. You get to choose who steals your personal data.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

Unless you use a trusted firefox fork

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I kinda feel like capitalism is treating me like a lemon thief these days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

You lemon stealing whore!

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago

And I'm sure that fine was as high or higher than the profit they made from the data... what, it wasn't?!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] EvilEyedPanda 19 points 8 months ago

Jesus christ right!! I'm curious how much they made off that data.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is fucking garbage.

When a company gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar, it's not a punishment to put one of the cookies back.

Fines should be ten TIMES what the company made from their misbehaviour, not ten percent.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago

Ah, the snake oil turned out to be poisonous.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

that is one of two reasons why I stopped using their software.

Too many scare-ware screens and too much bloatware that you have to be mindful about not installing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Can't believe a company with a notorious history of spying on users is at it again for the 234th time!

[–] HootinNHollerin 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Is there a class action lawsuit?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Avast, the cybersecurity software company, is facing a $16.5 million fine after it was caught storing and selling customer information without their consent.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) announced the fine on Thursday and said that it’s banning Avast from selling user data for advertising purposes.

From at least 2014 to 2020, Avast harvested user web browsing information through its antivirus software and browser extension, according to the FTC’s complaint.

“We are committed to our mission of protecting and empowering people’s digital lives,” Avast spokesperson Jess Monney said in a statement to The Verge.

“While we disagree with the FTC’s allegations and characterization of the facts, we are pleased to resolve this matter and look forward to continuing to serve our millions of customers around the world.”

In January, the FTC reached a settlement with Outlogic (formerly X-Mode Social) that prevents the data broker from selling information that can be used to track users’ locations.


The original article contains 398 words, the summary contains 155 words. Saved 61%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“While we disagree with the FTC’s allegations and characterization of the facts, we are pleased to resolve this matter and look forward to continuing to serve our millions of customers around the world.”...translation, we regret being caught but look forward to the opportunity of exploring alternate ways to exploiting consumers for profit.

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[–] danielfgom 7 points 8 months ago

They should be put out of business and those responsible jailed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

this, i prefer the service based on Free and Open Source Software,

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