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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Can someone provide the opposite of the tl;dr? A too short, didn't understand?

[–] hal_5700X 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A curation page is made to inform users if Sweet Baby worked a game or not. Sweet Baby employees started to harass (mass flag campaign) the curation page and it's maker.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (18 children)
[–] Stamau123 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They have been gaining a reputation for poor writing, 'wheadonesque' if you know the term. Some lowlights on the game Forspoken that they worked on being a recent funny example. I don't like them because I do find the writing bad, but some people don't like them for their politics.

[–] takeda 5 points 8 months ago

They are contractor writers, if a company is using such services for their games instead of hiring their own staff writers, then they are not that interested in quality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

wheadonesque

I thought Joss Wheadon was known for good writing and snappy dialogue?

[–] BluesF 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Snappy, witty, but ultimately shallow. Good lines, not necessarily great stories.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Are we pretending that Buffy, Firefly, and Doll House weren't great stories?

[–] Buddahriffic 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cabin in the Woods remains one of my favorite comedy horror movies to this day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (29 children)

Apparently they don't like Sweet Baby's focus on "promoting inclusivity", so just some bigot getting their panties on a twist that the "out-group" is being treated with a basic level of human dignity. They then spent a bunch of time and effort to let the world know they think inclusivity is bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (21 children)

people should be free to know who worked on the game they buy. If they don't like sweetbaby's products, then they are free to not pay money for them. Transparency is good.

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[–] atrielienz 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not gonna lie. It sounds like Sweet Baby should be putting their name on things they work on. Their reputation should reflect their body of work. If their poor writing is the reason people are disappointed in games, then people have a right to know. The problem is that it sounds like what they actually do isn't writing, it's some sort of EO QC. From what I have been able to find online, it seems like they get hired by game developers to sanitize games in a way that would appear (to some people) to be inclusive ways. However, just because you're not a fan of their choice to make a male character female or vice versa, doesn't necessarily mean you're a bigot. This sounds like the same sort of thing WoTC is doing with their own IP by trying to change Drow etc. I don't agree that Drow are problematic.

I don't intend to spend money on new IP made products that seem to want to change lore and such with the intent of "being more inclusive" or less problematic.

Specifically because I feel like this wasn't a conversation people were having until some people who are not negatively effected by the black = evil stereotype in media have all the sudden decided to white knight a movement against it in the most ham fisted way possible and it's often pretty insulting.

I have said repeatedly that inclusivity works when the differences aren't highlighted and there is a successful and not forced way to make that a part of most media, but making it the singular feature of a character in any media (that their existence is there just to fill a quota) is just tokenism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

They also write. But regardless of what they do, it doesn't directly go into the game. Developers still gave the final say. A lot of gamers are missing this. But if I was a game developer I wouldn't want to work with a consultancy company created by a racist/sexist. Hopefully the company makes changes or developers choose a better firm.

[–] MolochAlter 13 points 8 months ago

Looking at the curator list, whatever the intent, it's actually a very handy list of titles with mid to astoundingly poor writing, a lot of which apparently even SBI seems to disown, since they're not on their website (but they are credited by the games themselves).

So yeah, I don't think I need it cause I already didn't waste my money on any of those on their own merits, but it's funny to see there's a common thread.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They really put the Streisand effect to good use here, huh? Nichegamers screenshot showed 9,000ish followers and they're at 87,000 at the time of this comment.

[–] hal_5700X 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah. Funny is it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No idea who Sweet Baby were, or I thought so.

They worked on the writing of quite a few famous things, and surprisingly, they made one niche full game themselves that I have played, one of the playdate's initial games.

Yeah, that curator's crusade against them doesn't smell too good, very gamergate-y. That said the call to flag the curator en masse could get them in trouble. Probably not the right solution.

[–] hal_5700X 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that curator’s crusade against them doesn’t smell too good

All they want to do is boycott games made by Sweet Baby. Let them. They're not trying to get the games removed from stores, or stopping people from buying them. Hell pro-Sweet Baby people can use the list to know that games do buy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I've seen their discussion board. So yeah, intent counts too, and I'd advise anyone who may want to join/use that group to carefully consider why it was made.

My personal opinion : they're terrible people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Applies to sweet baby inc too. Both of these parties are bigots.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

some people need education on the Streisand effect :)

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