Biden is a lot better than people realize.. getting to 14th in one term is stellar..
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and that's with the circus clowns leading the house of representatives, too.
and i'll have to go back and check my history books on this one, but i'm pretty sure he's the only one to take office two weeks after his predecessor tried to end the government
By whom/in what poll? Of what respondents? When? What was the actual question asked?
I hate it when accounts like this just post a "fact" with no supporting documentation, source, link, or even image. Devoid of context, this is either important news or completely meaningless.
If this poll is by a reputable polling outfit, it's probably significant (and the other answers should be available). If it's a JavaScript poll posted on some random site, there's no information here.
If the poll was asked of likely Dem voters, it's not very significant (maybe significant that Biden is ranked so low). If it's a representative sample of likely voters, it's incredibly significant. Historians? Might be significant. "PeopleWhoRankPresidents.net" users? Definitely weird.
If it's a poll from day 1 of the Biden admin, it's not very notable. Though the framing of this tweet suggests the timing is "recently," which may be significant.
If the question was, "rank every president in order of how pretty you think their dogs are," then who cares? If it was "where do you think Biden and Trump rank in terms of policy," then it's almost as meaningless because nobody has taken the time to consider which thirteen go in front of Biden, that number is just a stab in the dark. If it's "rank every president in your lifetime in terms of policy," this is actually a terrible poll for Biden because it essentially puts him second-to-last.
Leaving these details out vastly weakens your point, because it sounds like you're intentionally omitting those data points that don't support your conclusion.
Or it's just your own personal opinion. Which is fine! You're on the internet, you're allowed to have an opinion, just frame it as such. And it would be more interesting than an unsourced poll, honestly; particularly for somebody running a Twitter account about how good Biden is, why did you put him so low on the list?
Or you're (not you, OP, the Twitter user) a Russian troll farm trying to drum up infighting in American politics. Which is, at this point, like trying to rinse off the deck of the Titanic.
So we're just gonna forget about Andrew Jackson?
I just did a quick search to brush up on why Andrew Jackson is a bad president, and I found a lot of similarities about corruption, ruling for personal gain or spite, authoritarianism, distrusting professional merit-based employees and replacing with personal loyalty-based amateurs , etc. Jackson starts with a lead as a war hero, but then again Trump didn’t try to destroy native Americans
He did try to get a native casino in Connecticut closed in 1993. Part of his testimony to Congress was "You're saying only Indians can have the reservations, only Indians can have the gaming. So why aren't you approving it for everybody? Why are you being discriminatory? Why is it that the Indians don't pay tax, but everybody else does? I do."
Also in 2000 Trump paid over $1 million on a smear campaign managed by Roger Stone against the St. Regis Mohawks in protest of their opening of a casino in the Catskills.
So nothing while president, but still not a great track record when dealing with native Americans.
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but then again Trump didn’t try to destroy native Americans
He was quite happy for millions of Americans (regardless of ethnicity) to die rather than do the minimum amount of work to get Covid recognised as an actual problem, not to mention actively peddling bullshit theories that probably made things even worse.
I'm not an historian, but from what I know about Jackson, you could make the argument "he was an asshole, but he was of his time", whereas Trump is an asshole regardless of what decade it is.
Jackson was not an asshole of his time, he was drastically worse. Do not whitewash the trail of tears
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Jackson starts with a lead as a war hero
Holding New Orleans against the British to preserve southern slavery for another half-century is hardly something to brag about.
Jackson also blatantly committed the high crime of ignoring a lawful court order from the supreme court. But congress knew it was political suicide to censure him for the trail of tears(which was absurdly popular) so he wasn't impeached for it.
Trump is pretty bad. But he didn't order a genocide and flout checks and balances to do it. Not that he isntr trying.
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According to which criteria? No doubt he’s better than Trump, but 14th place feels way too high.
That's the report in question.
It always irked me when people used "45" as a moniker for Trump before, but now it feels... apt.
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Man look, I don't like Trump either, but it is legitimately offensive to so many minorities to call him the "worst president" when you have contenders like Andrew Jackson
Did Jackson lead an insurrection against his own country while trying to divide them into civil war at every step?
He genocided the Native Americans. He ignored the constitutional structure of the executive and developed his own “kitchen cabinet” effectively siphoning power to give to his friends.
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It’s not offensive it’s just recency bias. How are people honestly supposed to rank a leader that is 100+ years away from their own lives? It’s just a poll, it’s not a course on all the presidents and then an invitation to rank them in order.
Trump is the worst president in most living people’s lifetime, extrapolating more than that from this is a mistake.
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I genuinely worry that Trump will get back in and that the consequences will be dire.
Sincerely hope that all the right wing nutjobs are a vocal minority and that we don't actually have close to half the US electorate agreeing with Jan 6th.
Trump proves a few things, impeachment and federal charges don't matter when your political system resembles the fandom of two rival sports teams.
I mean, outside of Nixon, who else had a major scandal?
Andrew Jackson committed a genocide
If you squint hard enough and hate him enough, you could argue Wilson as well (not the genocide part, but that depends on how much you think an earlier American entrance into WW1 would change things.
Edit: I should add that Wilson is basically single handedly responsible for the rebirth of the KKK
Not coincidentally, Andrew Jackson is one of Trump's favorite presidents. He once displayed a portrait of Jackson in a room he was meeting with Native American leaders in.
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FDR threw 200,000 Americans in concentration camps
Which is conveniently very rarely talked about in history classes.
I did a report on that in middle school. Pretty much because I thought it was interesting and wasn't talked about in class.
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Bush 2.0 invaded a country and lied about why.
Bill Clinton, I guess. By Trump's standards what Clinton did is a walk in the park tho.
What still gets to me is Gingrich leading with the goddamned trumpet against this... unconscionable marital betrayer from the Democratic Party... then gets his multiple affairs and betrayals exposed. So he quits. The trumpet is proudly picked up by Livingstone... who promptly gets his Washington extramarital affair exposed.
It's incredible how republicans turned all of our politics into a toilet, arrogantly huffing and puffing as some sort of self-appointed moral and christian "keepers of the flame", and they cannot handle a lesson as simple and crucial as that story in the Gospels - "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".
And look at them now. Today republicans are worse in every respect, including mental/emotional health or balance, by an order of magnitude. They don't care about optics anymore, have gone up their own assholes several times over, like some sort of fleshy klein bottle.
republicans are warped beyond reality and decency, by a hypocrisy from a self-imposed ignorance, that is as corrosive as greed.
EDIT: it was during a late-90s afternoon, driving on the highway from Bakersfield to Los Angeles while listening to the Clinton impeachment charade live on NPR Radio, that something clicked inside my head and I clearly realized that republicans are an enemy of the true common good. That's when I started hating that group of political cancer cells on society. Then we got cheney and baby bush.
Wilson, Jackson, Polk, Reagan. If you really want scandalous Jackson is easily the most scandalous President in history. The country was shocked when he got in, and he went on to cause the Trail of Tears, and the deepest (by percentage, not actual dollar value) and longest depression in US history, by paying off all the national debt, and rendering the country unable to trade with other countries for a few years.
Wilson wrote Southern Revisionism, refounded the KKK, erected a bunch of statues that we are finally tearing down, segregated The Federal Government, and may have caused WW2, and definitely set the stage for endless wars with Wilsonian Doctrine. He also caused and expanded several conflicts in South and Central America creating banana republics. Oh yeah, he expanded the presidential powers to tyrannical proportions with the sedition and insurrection act.
Polk did Manifest Destiny, and was generally an asshole to the natives, and Monroe created The Monroe Doctrine, continuing the general assholery towards the natives, though those two probably weren't considered scandalous in their day.
Reagan had Iran Contra. That did give us some fun video games though.
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In a poll of historians.
I'd say Trump is neck and neck with Jackson. Wouldn't wanna make him #1 at anything.
Wilson and Jackson are both worse than Trump. He was bad, but not refounding the KKK, segregation of The US Government, or Trail of Tears, bad. Heck Polk and Monroe could be considered worse than Trump and most people can't remember who the first one was.
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I'd say it was Reagan. For sure. Nixon close second. But fuck Trump too but I'd put him like 3rd or maybe even 4th worst
Were you there for Reagan? He was very personable, very persuasive, and able to build overwhelming popular support. You may not agree with many of his policies but he was successful. He also had a very capable cabinet. Again, you may not agree with some of what they did, but they were successful at it.
Lastly, most importantly, while conservatives may worship Reagan like an ancient god, he would be un-nominatably moderate when compared to current leading Conservatives.
Compared to Reagan, Trump is more authoritarian, less capable, less persuasive, more Conservative, more corrupt, more self-serving, and surrounded by incompetent yes-men.
Wilson, Jackson, Reagan, Nixon, Polk. Trump didn't do even half the damage to the natives and the country that those 5 did. Wilson is why the US claims to act as "world police," as well as a fuckton of other shit that is still affecting the citizenry to this day.
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