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[–] Randelung 97 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

You say that as if they have a choice. You can't at the same time mourn walkable cities and criticize the fact that everything NEEDS a car and then turn around and make fun of the driver.

Would YOU share a road with cars on your bike?

[–] TrickDacy 59 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I live in a very walkable and bikable city and yet plenty of people choose to drive here most every chance they get. They think biking is for poor people.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love in a mid walkable city and don't even own a car, but every time I arrive at the gym (which is one block away from a transit hub), the parking lot is jam packed

[–] TrickDacy 8 points 9 months ago

That is quite sad. It's a self perpetuating thing. People think biking is too hard or unsafe (or for poor people), and so they drive. Because so many keep driving, it doesn't get much safer and the progress toward better bike infrastructure can be quite a slow roll. And sometimes that progress gets reversed :'(

I used to try and bike everywhere I could but I had a few scary situations happen. Close calls, getting screamed at, and threats, one guy jumped out of his car even...it was discouraging and so now I prefer walking or public transportation honestly.

[–] psud 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I live in a small Australian city designed by an American when America was first embracing highways. It has a city centre which had until recently only a thousand single family homes within walking distance*, then there are suburbs accessed by small highways (typically 2 lanes each way)

But it has reasonable public transport, and good bike paths between suburbia and the city away from the highways (or if you prefer, on painted lanes on some of the highways)

*Now we have mixed use towers in town

My part of suburbia to town is 20 minutes by car, 40 in peak, 45 minutes by express bus in peak, 55mins to 1hr 15 by off peak bus, and about an hour by the isolated bike path, 45 mins by the painted bike lanes (and sometimes nothing)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I do and therefore can. fuck cars

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I ride my bike to the gym like 9 months out of the year. I always try and put more miles on the bikes than the ODO.

[–] Randelung 13 points 9 months ago

Exactly! People who have a better option will take that. It's not like they like sitting in traffic.

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[–] psud 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The pictured city chose to spend a hundred million per mile on the pictured road, that could have bought a reasonable amount of fast mass transit

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but then I'd have to sit next to a Poor, instead of just driving past them sleeping on the ground in serene comfort.

[–] psud 1 points 9 months ago

I get you're joking, but to address the person you're parodying: yeah 'cause the homeless are commuting to work too

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[–] knexcar 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Was it 100 million per mile for the entire thing, or just 100 million per mile to expand it by a lane?

[–] psud 5 points 9 months ago

I believe it was the widening project, +1 lane each way for 100M per mile, probably including acquiring what used to be high density residential buildings

[–] Falcon 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Or climate, many people don’t have the luxury to live in 10-25 deg range.

[–] LwL 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...there are cities in northern europe where it's freezing half the year and people still go by bike. Below 10 isn't even particularly cold. And as much as I die in those temps above 25 also isn't all that hot. Dangerous temps are still quite a bit above that.

You have an argument at below -10 or above 30 (latter depending on humidity) maybe

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[–] harmsy 2 points 9 months ago

Climate is not a valid reason outside of places like Arizona that get dangerously hot outside.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only we had more foresight and built that one extra lane...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Sadly bike lanes become unusable at times. The ones that run parallel with roads often get all the debris from the road thrown onto them. In autumn the leaves gather there making it very dangerous as they can hide holes and even large objects like bricks. Not to mention leaves are very slippery when wet.

As a road cyclist, it pains me to say this but cars actually clear the roads from debris due to the sheer volume of cars and their much wider tyres.

I live in quite a rural area now and the back roads are full of mud, stones and sand from farms fields and trackers.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Too bad the bike lanes here are swarmed with motorcycles. I will literally die riding a bike on the streets where I live.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I could get a stationary bicycle at home but I like to be around people when I exercise.

I could take a train to the gym, but I don't like to be around other people.

I could get a regular bicycle, but I don't have anywhere to go.

I could bicycle to the gym but when I get there I'm too tired to exercise.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

, but I don’t have anywhere to go.

..the gym maybe?

but when I get there I’m too tired to exercise.

I don't see how that's a problem? Two problems solved. You've exercised and saved money on the gym.

[–] Warl0k3 13 points 9 months ago

Its a joke.

[–] psud 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A big part of the problem is the same people tasked with modelling traffic are well paid to design roads. Funnily they find that more road is always the solution

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Where I live (major UK City) they're removing roads and traffic lanes to widen pavement and add in bicycle lanes.

Some places are definitely going in the right direction

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I've always hated the gym. The whole concept is anathema to me. I LOVE exrcise though so I'll try to do it in other ways. Walk places instead of drive. Run instead of walk. Bike. Do martial arts (learning a skill!).

I'll do anything except work out in a sweat box.

[–] Tangent5280 9 points 9 months ago

Bro, I'm the opposite to you. I cannot adhere to exercise that's done outside in an uncontrolled environment. I feel like a neanderthal. I also can't exercise if I'm not logging it, so it might not be an indoors vs outdoors thing.

Maybe it's the weather where I live. I also prefer to drive places, or take public transport. Anything with air conditioning. Anyway, nice to meet my fitness ideology nemesis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I cycle to the gym, which is a great warmup to lift weights, which I do not have at home.

[–] Coreidan 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Gyms are depressing to me. They also stink.

[–] Tangent5280 2 points 9 months ago

I suppose I'm glad I have a low sensitivity nose. I think growing up with siblings might have had some blunting effect on my olfactory senses.

[–] Vorticity 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I agree in general but, living in a cold climate, gyms are necessary for me in the winter if I want to get exercise. It lowers the barrier for me to get exercise since it means I don't need to try to go running in full winter gear.

[–] nifty 2 points 9 months ago

Same here, I love taking the stairs instead of the lift! Highly recommend.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

bulldoze some urban blocks to build more lanes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

We'll start with yours and your families home

[–] tdawg 6 points 9 months ago

Could have left it at stuck in traffic ngl

[–] fne8w2ah 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

When public transport is deemed too communist by the plebs.

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[–] Shave_MyBeever 2 points 9 months ago

The traffic backup is because a cyclist was run over.

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