These are the kind of financial hits these companies should be taking. Which means, as usual, this'll get knocked down due a few hundred million tops in appeals.
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well this is appeal 4 I think and its been swinging back and forth between Bayer owes shit and Bayer owes billions. Let's not count any dollars until this guy starts collecting.
Full transparency, Bayer is my employer, these thoughts and opinions are my own and do not reflect my employer, My bonus would look a lot better without this news, but the dude totally deserves to win because boy did Monsanto fuck him over.
After dealing with Monsanto trolls who admitted to taking a paycheck from them as they disseminated pro-Monsanto rhetoric, this pleases me to no end.
Shit. My dad worked for Monsanto for decades on their environmental legal team (even worked with Clarence Thomas for a bit)
I'll talk no end of shit on them
admitted
That’s wild.
It’s more likely they were weak and unfaithful to their unethical contract, vs. paid by a foreign state actor to stir division, right?
Imagine admitting you’re such a joke! (Or poor + reckless (could get caught), etc.)
They basically argued that because they work work with the products directly, that made their position on the issue superior, hence why they admitted it.
They also said it wasn't a conflict of interest, lmao.
Ah makes total sense!
Don't worry about Roundup causing cancer, ~~a washed up former greenpeace hack turned shill suckling at the teat of companies responsible for the declining state of the world~~ Patrick Moore assured me that it is non dangerous. It is even perfectly safe to drink a quart of it!
Christ…
I have drank a quart of Perfectly Safe Roundup Product daily, as was instructed as being safe by an Independent Advocate, Patrick Moore
Plants now quake in my presence, and the giant growths on my body and in my blood are probably just muscle tissue
I don't see how $2 billion to one person is what they need to be doing, but sure.
The jury has some say in what they have to pay. Sometimes they go higher than you would expect so that when it's cut down by a judge they still get something.
It would be better to have something like a class action where they have to pay out $40 million each to hundreds of people rather than 10 people get ridiculous sums that are way more than they need and everyone else get nothing because the company went bankrupt after the first 10 settlements.
It was probably easier to prove this single one rather than finding enough people for a class action.
Can the jury say anything they want or are there any limitations?
I am not a lawyer but from what I understand there are 2 levels of penalty, 1 that has some kind of basis like medical costs and then jury can add punitive on top.
Agreed. I'm just wondering how this even works in practice. Bayer's total assets are $125bn; If they poisoned ~1000 people, do they sell off all assets to pay the first 62 people and from the 63rd guy on they're all shit out of luck?
Or is this like those rulings where they give a murderer 6 times life in prison + 327 years (and 3 death sentences)? America has a weird judicial system.
Pretty much that is how it works, yes. Most likely they'd try to pull a J&J and restructure where the debt is given to a subsidiary that then declares bankruptcy. Thankfully that strategy was rejected but they're still plotting to declare bankruptcy somehow.
Fuck them, that's why. Maybe they'll do the right thing before The Cock of Justice slaps then in the face 10 times, next time.
The people actually responsible are laughing on their way to the bank right now.
And that's why billion+ judgements should be the norm. And no, I don't care about the precious shareholders.
I was very surprised this wasn't a class action. Since what bayer did was so horrible that one person deserves 2 billion then they should be dissolved with all their money distributed to all their customers.
create walter white any%
I hate that shit. Who thinks it's safe for the world to use a chemical herbicide? It's just such a stupid idea.
Not that more evidence is required, but I when I was a kid were had this dog who would just have random -- what seemed like -- asthma attacks, while out on walks. They would go away if I picked him up, and we would continue on. Eventually, I noticed it only happened in certain spots, and that those spots all used some herbicide (because they would have the ads on the lawns).
Anyway that cemented a deep disgust for that tech from a young age. Absolutely disgusting. All so you can try to get your lawn to resemble the most boring PS1-ass green polygon imaginable.