So in order to protect the kids...we're going to put their future prospects in jeopardy with heavy handed zero tolerance policy bs? Throw the fucking vape away and move along jfc
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Right. The amount of damage they do to "prevent damage" here is outstanding. Additionally, wouldn't that money be better spent hiring more teachers?
When I was in high school in the 90s, the school had an area of the campus (outside) where kids could smoke. It was just an obvious thing to have at the time because half the student body smoked anyway.
France, in the 80/90 in high school we smoked outside, in community college we smoked in corridor, and in university we smoked inside classrooms and lecture theatre/hall, incredible :-(
That's awful, I hope things are better now.
oh yes they are, kids almost go to prison for vaping now! A lot of things have changed.
You don't need to go back that far even, I was smoking in my french high school in like 2004. But it was outside.
My wife and I went to Europe (from the US) in 2018 (Italy, and Spain) and one of the most shocking things of the whole trip was just how much people in Europe smoke. Like EVERYWHERE, while we were in Spain we got to see the final MotoGP race of the season, and it was like being taken back 25 years when smoking was allowed inside restaurants etc... Everyone around us was smoking and I really didn't care for that!
The rest of our trip was absolutely amazing!
My school had this same thing. You could look out any window facing a certain direction between class, and you'd see a bunch of kids smoking.
Cigarettes were also like $1.25 back then. I hated winter because groups of kids would hotbox in someone's car and come in smelling super strong, to the point that it was a bit much even for me, a more covert smoker. I can still smell that in my mind.
What's funny is that the school decided to become a 'tobacco free campus' my senior year, so everyone just walked across the street where there was a city bus stop with a huge amount of room for people to stand and wait for a bus and smoked there instead. They basically moved the smoking area across the street.
And to a school back then, that would have probably been just fine. They were a "tobacco free campus" as planned XD
tbf, that's exactly how freedom is supposed to work. We very specifically don't want them to actually effectively force the student body to cease all tobacco activities. That's draconian and should be unacceptable.
I agree, but I also think there has to be more work done on prevention and cessation of teen smoking and vaping. I started smoking when I was 14 and I didn't quit until I was in my mid-20s. And I'm one of the lucky ones. I was also only able to quit because I worked in an office where literally every other person smoked, so I got plenty of it second-hand.
Yeah, there was a lot more freedom back then. It felt pretty good as a teenager having so much independence. In my school, we could even leave campus during our open periods. At some point, schools started seeing things like that as a liability for them. Can't help but think things really started to change after Columbine.
To bring that forward a generation, there was a period around 2013-2014 when vaping was brand new and schools hadn't written any rules yet.
I remember kids vaping in class and some teachers being kinda okay with it, or at least turning a blind eye. Granted, only like 1 or 2 people in the school had vapes.
it was around 1986 when the 'on campus' smoking area was shut down for us. but that didn't stop students or teachers from simply walking across the street. it didn't stop the students who just lit-up in the basement either--right at their lockers, even.
My high school's designated smoking area was a stuffy room in the basement with zero ventilation. I'm pretty sure they had to completely demo the walls, floors, and ceilings when they wanted to convert it into a classroom, and it probably still reeked for years.
There was a private school near my house that had something similar. They called it The Dungeon.
Schools like this need to be shut down. Let kids vape and figure things out themselves. If they're smart enough for college, good let them go.
You're only teaching them they can't trust higher ups and government type people.
That's a good lesson actually. We would be better as a society if more people didn't blindly trust their government and politicians.
Educational institutions deciding to actively police students just 'cause is a load of BS.
Who died and made them king over children?
Unfortunately in the United States, the primary school system is more of a babysitting service than it is an actual educational institution.
Does no one except me like the school their children go to?
School logic
Yeah ! Skool sucks! Kids rule !
And the school to prison pipeline is expanded. Absolutely sickening.
I can kind of see why there's a purpose for punishing cigarette usage at schools. I don't think vaping is harmless, but it's not like vaping in the bathroom is causing an uncleanable mess or contributing to second hand smoke... I see why vaping is banned in schools but just like throw her vape away and stop there.
During the pandemic, HALO noted on its website that monitoring indoor air quality was an approved use for federal COVID relief money.
A leading provider, HALO Smart Sensors, sells 90% to 95% of its sensors to schools. The sensors don’t have cameras or record audio but can detect increases in noise in a school bathroom and send a text alert to school officials, said Rick Cadiz, vice president of sales and marketing for IPVideo, the maker of the HALO sensors.
The sensors are marketed primarily for detecting vape smoke or THC but also can monitor for sounds such as gunshots or keywords indicating possible bullying.
I don't know that I'd trust a non-microphone sensor to be good enough to actually identify keywords, but you could probably tell if people were yelling or something.
My highschool friends and I would have relished the opportunity to fuck with administration acting on input from devices like this. Hack the planet.
Me: Climbs up so I'm quarter of an inch away from it
Also me:
School logic.
Man. We had Rambo knives at school when I was a kid. Compass fishing line ect.... played splitsies during recess. Being a kid sucks now
I couldn't even count the number of times I rode in the back of a pickup truck when I was a kid. You know who else can't count it? All the kids who died from doing that and didn't grow up to comment on the internet how everything is too safe these days. This is the essence of survivor bias.
Plus you know not having universal healthcare means any injury could be a financial deathblow. Which is why we get stories in the news about people having to sue their own families.
I'm in canada. I have Healthcare. Looks like more Rambo knives for me!!! I'll get you some bubble wrap for your pickup truck.
It wasnt my pickup truck