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The ambiguity and potential legal threats around getting pregnant are the worst part. There's no clear process and the law will be applied selectively, usually to hurt people. This whole thing is so messed up.
There's no clear process and the law will be applied selectively, usually to hurt people.
This is what the conservatives steering the country to fascism don't understand. The country they want is where the people they don't like get selectively punished.
But when it's done through selective enforcement of inhuman laws, as all fascist states operate, those people will eventually live in the same fear and anxious uncertainty that they are now so enjoying inflicting on their moral enemies.
First they came for the ... shit, who did they go after first?! They're such hateful little troglodytes...
All this is happening while the older generation screeches at us to have children. No thank you, I'd rather not spend time in jail and who knows how much on court costs just because my body decided to miscarry.
Women will stop going to the doctor at all to make sure there's no record of their pregnancy, just in case
Yup these laws are about punishing women for being imperfect vessels. To the pro birthers, If a women has a miscarriage it's obviously she did something wrong and needs to be punished. These people also believe miscarriages only existe because feminism, roe v wade, and women not accepting their place below man. Flee pro birth States! If you live in a pro choice state help those who are not get out.
The lesson learned here is " the only way to win is not to play". The rise in DINKS has already begun and I'm sure will accelerate in response to this nonsense. Soon the ratio of wanted children to unwanted will tip and violent crime will rise. There is a great section in freakonomics about this. I'm putting my money where my mouth is and partner is getting fixed tomorrow!
I'm sorry, but that's a shit take. If someone wants to have kids, they shouldn't worry about legal trouble in the case of miscarriage. Full stop.
No one should be okay with the government having this much overreach.
I don't think you two are disagreeing on that lol
They shouldn't worry about very real legal and medical risks that will be imposed on them? Who the hell are you to tell strangers what risks they should take with their lives?
I think you misread that comment…
It fits the pattern in this comment chain though
I'm saying we (all of us) should find it absolutely unacceptable that these legal risks exist.
I don't think you two are disagreeing on that lol
I know it's the epitome of privledge to say this and I know it can be impossible for a lot of people for any number of reasons...
But...
If you are a woman of childbearing age and are, or even plan to be pregnant, run as fast as you can away from these states.
There was a time, not long ago, when birthing children was potentially dangerous or even fatal without modern medical care. By outlawing that care, you're taking a hard dive right back into those medieval conditions. Woman can, will, and are dying because of these laws. It's horribly, horribly, horribly wrong, and I hope it gets reversed soon.
But until then? Run.
That's actually so fucked up that it's basically illegal to have a miscarriage.
It sure would be awkward if it were to happen to thousands of women every day.
I hope all the GOP women who voted for this have miscarriages and go to prison. Because they support that for some reason.
The obvious solution here is to not get pregnant. ...
This train of thought gets me thinking. What if these religious wackos actually understand what they're doing and their purpose is grinding procreation of a certain class to a halt?
In Texas, the vast majority of new births are latino. "White ppl" aren't having kids. What if this is intentional and those dumb fucks aren't just shooting themselves in the face?
Could it be that these religious conservatives decided to take their toys from Earth and fuck off to whatever heaven they think they're going to?
"You can't have white people anymore! We're killing them all and letting you rot here on your own. We're going to heaven and you're not, hah!"
... Nah, can't be. They're probably just dumb.
How to run a state like a moron.
So much more women would take another look at vasectomy in that situation.
Vasectomies are for men. Women should look into getting a bisalp.
Ultimately, they'll ban that for women, but leave vasectomies available for men, because, well, men making rules for men.