I hope Cleveland is ready, because the Cuyahoga River is going to start catching fire again.
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Removing Chevron is pro democracy if the congress and senate fairly represent the people and are willing to do the extra work.
Checks notes.
Uh oh…..
Extra work? What about normal work? Or even bare minimum?
Best I can do is total obstructionism and tax cuts for the rich.
Sorry, they a need another vacation after not doing anything since the last vacation. Please check back later.
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Putting more decisions in the hands of elected officials is not more democratic. They're too slow and there aren't enough of them to make all the necessary decisions. We can't just have more elected officials because most voters can't be bothered to learn about candidates for the positions that already exist.
so the senate is fucked with regard to representation and now the supreme court is absolutely fucked with regards to representation.
who is spose to represent me again?
i still get my 1-2 votes to solve this mess? oh right, that doesnt work that away.
yay democracy.
Democracy is great, but unfortunately USA is a very flawed democracy.
its been quite painful watching a lot of progressive action replaced with regressive action due to conservative billionaires poisoning the minds of half the country
Yes, that's part of being flawed, that billionaires can buy elections. That and a 2 party system driven by first past the post, which is not really democracy either.
RepresentUs has a thorough comprehensive plan - https://represent.us/
Corruption is absolutely an important issue, but it's not enough to fight corruption to fix a democracy that breeds corruption.
It's absolutely a valid cause, and may help the other things getting fixed too down the road. It seems to me many democrats are ready for a better democracy, but not so much for the elected politicians.
Thanks.
Corruption - dark money, etc is just one part of what Represent Us is working on. Many think that the push for RCV is the most important.
Ending first past the post elections might end a lot of corruption and party domination.
I wish all the best for all who work to protect and improve democracy in USA, I have always loved USA, but it's very difficult to love a country that elect Trump for president.
And I believe it only happened because there are only 2 options, which removes balance from the debate, and silences minority interests among many other negative impacts compared to a better functioning democracy.
who is spose to represent me again?
If you have at least $100M, all 3 branches of government will go to bat for you.
I've been thinking about this for a while. We really are at a point where taxation without representation should be examined. There's always the suggestion of a general strike to force them to function, but I think the easier and more destructive method would be to not pay taxes en masse. It would take organization to get the whole country to do it but there's already a set date and way to disrupt the system that involves you doing nothing. Simply don't file. What happens if nobody files their taxes? What happens if the system grinds to a halt because they chose to collect the most money from the lower tax brackets and let the big corpos run free? On the flip side what happens if everybody doesn't file taxes and the system grinds on anyway? Then what's the point of taxes? Wouldn't that really expose the lack of representation?
Well the problem is 99% of people have their taxes auto deducted from their check throughout the year. So not doing your taxes, for the most part would do nothing.
That's why labor strike would be doubly effective. You cut off both work, and taxes at the same time.
And for about the same amount of people the IRS already knows everything they need to calculate their taxes. Not having prefilled tax forms you can verify or correct if you need to, is only a thing because Intuit/turboTax etc want to keep making billions.
That's why you vote every time, not just 1-2 times.
Civic duty. Betterment for mankind. Not watching your friends get murdered. Any reason is a good one as long as more fascist Republicans or enablers aren't elected.
i perform every civic vote im allowed. the 1-2 was for the national bullshit.
my point stands
Hey, Oregon’s representatives are kicking ass and taking names. I definitely got my vote’s worth with them.
Comedy 2nd ammendment reversal of fortune.
So, what exactly does the executive branch do anymore, if they overrule this?
Sounds like government employees couldn’t so much as wipe their ass unless Simon Says.
Plenty of conservatives want this. Or are inextricably convinced that they think they want this, as fine a distinction as that is.
It would be hilarious if this was overturned, Biden was elected and he filled the nation with progressive justices. It'd be terrible, but it's similar to Trump saying the president can't commit crimes while he isn't president.
It would be hilarious if this was overturned, Biden was elected and he filled the nation with progressive justices.
...who then use their newfound power to close a crapload of loopholes, then re-write chevron in a way that it can't be taken down so easily again so it becomes much harder to create more loopholes or abolish good laws when people with bad intentions have power.
That'd be the best outcome of it getting overturned in my mind, anyway.
Focus on the power, or focus on the people? What would Jesus do?
The Daily had a great podcast on this. Overturning Chevron shouldn't be on the table, but due to mismanagement of one agency and way over reaching because they were out of money and wanted to expand other programs is the real cause behind this. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the batch. William Bright, one of the men in the lawsuit, ended up having a regulation enforced differently on him that forced him to pay outrageous fees to take an inspector on his fishing boat that he agrees is important oversight, but never had to pay for previously. He filed a complaint and the Koch brothers jumped on this case to fund attorneys to destroy Chevron deference.
Whatever idiot in the National Marine Fisheries Service decided to start charging for this program that's required and has never been charged to the individuals being inspected previously needs to be crucified for this. Killing Chevron deference will have so many far reaching consequences that have been providing safety regulations for the past 40 years are going to go away. It's now going to be up to Congress, who are nowhere near experts on any of these operations or industries, to come up with specific laws that have to be enforced. These idiots don't do their job already, and the expectation that they're suddenly going to do it well is insane.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said during Wednesday’s arguments, Chevron forces judges to grapple with a very basic question: “When does the court decide that this is not my call?”
And yet, four members of the Supreme Court — Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh — spent much of Wednesday’s arguments in Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo and Relentless v. Department of Commerce speaking of Chevron with the same contempt most judges reserve for cases like Plessy v. Ferguson (1896), the pro-segregation decision rejected by Brown.
Both companies have an army of lobbyists, engineers, and scientists, who all argue that their employer’s invention is the “best system of emission reduction” and that the federal government should require power plants to install their tech.
Agencies, by contrast, are staffed by scientists, economists, physicians, and other experts who are more capable of evaluating difficult policy questions than a handful of people with law degrees.
The fundamental question raised in both cases is whether nine unelected lawyers, all of whom have life tenure, should be placed in charge of virtually every policymaking decision made by the executive branch of government.
Justice Kavanaugh, in particular, seemed so eager to give himself this power that he might as well have spent the argument shopping for gold crowns and drawing up an invitation list for his coronation.
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